On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Anthony Papillion
   <[1]anthony@cajuntechie.org> wrote:

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     On 03/18/2016 01:02 PM, [2]dan@geer.org wrote:
     > Apple will have its Snowden.
     That's not a given. Everyone believes that Windows has backdoors and
     spying components in it but we've not seen a single Snowden from
     Microsoft. Why would we from Apple, an even more secretive company
     than Microsoft?

   Or, just playing devils' advocate, perhaps we haven't seen any Snowdens
   from Microsoft because there's nothing to be leaked? Perhaps, instead
   of demanding cooperation from vendors and risking getting caught, the
   government focuses on building the capability to exploit bugs and opsec
   failures on the part of their targets.

References

   1. mailto:anthony@cajuntechie.org
   2. mailto:dan@geer.org