i think there is no good or bad
   the @UN assembled in the 1900's replaced your fiction of state
   sovereignty long ago which was always a myth anyway
   b4 that was the league of nations and before that oppression was just
   straight up colonialism so... but i was talking about state formation
   itself be that transnational or national i am talking about the middle
   man as the state be that monarchy or no
   rumsfeld recently did an interview on cobert - he was selling some
   product as usual ... he made a game app about winston churchill - he
   said isis doesnt like nations but isis actually use that form >>> these
   kinds of missteps of logic are where the shadow gov comes out to play

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   On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 6:29 PM, juan <[1]juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:

     On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 14:43:04 +0100
     Cari Machet <[2]carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
     > ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections :
     nation
     > state structures are not working its a dying form
             ...if that's true, then nation states are being replaced
     with a
             transnational state. Not exactly good news.

   >
   > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Steve Kinney
   <[3]admin@pilobilus.net>
   > wrote:
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   > > > USG is not USA. Apple is not its buyers. USG v Apple is not
   > > > about citizens and privacy. It's about secretkeepers against
   > > > the public.
   > >
   > > It's also about client (USG) vs. vendor (Apple).  The fact that IT
   > > vendors get paid to comply with State demands is almost never
   > > mentioned in published accounts.
   > >
   > > So does the status of many consumer IT vendors including Apple as
   > > 'defense' contractors, i.e. the Romas/COIN project and its
   > > replacement(s), where Apple was listed as a participant in the
   > > bidding process per HB Gary documents.  This suggests that Apple
   > > is or sought to be complicit in spying on, manipulating, and
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