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   On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Ted Smith <[1]tedks@riseup.net> wrote:

     Somewhat confusing threading here Cari.
     I see a few possibilities as to what I could do here:
           * Be vigilant in calling out patriarchal, racist, and
     generally
             neoliberal or fascist ideas promoted by some of the more
     recent
             arrivals.
                   * This would provided a benchmark on the list
     indicating
                     that these ideas are not generally accepted.
                   * This would also require me to argue with assholes on
     the
                     Internet. As the say goes, pigs, mud, etc..
           * Filter these people out and try to maintain productive
     on-topic
             discussion.
                   * This would be of limited usefulness since people who
     I
                     generally find to be quality contributors continue
     to
                     respond to the Stormfront-esque crowd.
           * Filter the whole list, comb through it periodically to see
     if
             there is any useful signal, and call out the most egregious
             offenses I can find.
                   * This is what I've chosen to do since it is optimal
     from
                     my time perspective.
     I think this list is a lost cause at this point. Ever since around
     the
     time it became more discoverable after the switch from
     [2]al-qaeda.net to
     [3]cpunks.org, and some possibly overzealous cross-posting, the
     discourse
     has shifted from actual cypherpunkery to white men complaining about
     having their privilege eroded on other mailing lists. There are a
     number
     of quality contributors that no longer post here, reducing the
     signal
     and allowing more noise. I can't bring them back. But I can at least
     remind anyone more moderate listening that the cypherpunks list
     wasn't
     always a far-right discussion group, which I think is the reverence
     due
     to the community that used to exist.
     I'd appreciate any suggestions, onlist or offline, from anyone who
     thinks similarly of the ideological drift of this list from
     generally
     anti-authoritarian to crypto-white nationalism.

   On Fri, 2016-02-05 at 20:37 +0100, Cari Machet wrote:
   > Dear ted you are part of the community and you can work to make it
   > better or just complain about yesteryear
   >
   > On Feb 3, 2016 3:19 AM, "Cari Machet" <[4]carimachet@gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >         Code of conduct no but community agreements yes ... plus
   >         social norms and social engineering is alive and well even
   >         here on cypherpunks ... should we make a list?
   >
   >         What is comming up here is restorative justice by subjects
   >         that have no clue that there is such a concept
   >
   >         On Jan 27, 2016 5:50 PM, "Rayzer" <[5]Rayzer@riseup.net>
   wrote:
   >                 Zenaan Harkness replies to: 1/27/16, Peter Tonoli
   >                 wrote::
   >                 >> On the other hand, I can't see Cypherpunks
   agreeing
   >                 to a 'code of
   >                 >> > conduct', or adhering to it.
   >                 > Come on ... surely you jest?!?
   >
   >                 When Abbie Hoffman was asked about the nature of the
   >                 Chicago 7, 6, 8, 10
   >                 'conspiracy' he replied:
   >
   >                 > "Conspiracy? We can't even agree on lunch."
   >
   >                 --
   >                 RR
   >
   >                 "Through counter-intelligence it should be possible
   to
   >                 pinpoint potential trouble-makers ... And neutralize
   >                 them, neutralize them, neutralize them'
   >
   >

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References

   1. mailto:tedks@riseup.net
   2. http://al-qaeda.net/
   3. http://cpunks.org/
   4. mailto:carimachet@gmail.com
   5. mailto:Rayzer@riseup.net
   6. mailto:carimachet@gmail.com
   7. https://twitter.com/carimachet