2015-10-29 18:35 GMT+01:00 Shelley <[1]shelley@misanthropia.org>: The idea that one has to be "forced" to act in the common interest is disheartening, especially now. I'm sorry, but there's only so much one will do with disregard of self. I feel like this discussion has starved. There's a distinct lack of depth and logic, and now the meaningless arguments are drying. There has been naught in the way of designer societies, let alone the code we can write to help get there. Mostly it's the powerless contemplating how fair it would be if they weren't. References 1. mailto:shelley@misanthropia.org