I tried to list their motives under the GCHQ/UK motives, who would be more likely to fake the slide anyway and are the ones alleged of having leaked documents to the Independent on behalf of JTRIG, are a fairly likely candidate. Faking a slide like this would be a good way to inspire paranoia and divide a community, no? It got Cryptome to post a notice on their site for a week or two, alerting people to the possibility that they'd been targeted by GCHQ by visiting Cryptome. Sounds like JTRIG-ish paranoia, no? On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Georgi Guninski <[1]guninski@guninski.com> wrote: [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joint_Threat_Research_ Intelligence_Group&oldid=670966374 Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group In June 2015, NSA files published by Glenn Greenwald revealed new details about JTRIG's work at covertly manipulating online communities.[6] On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 08:58:33AM -0400, Michael Best wrote: > > > > So assuming Snowden "borrowed" the slide from the NSA and he didn't get > > owned, the slide is _REAL_. > > > I don't think I understand your mean, if we assuming it's real, it follows > that it's real? I think I walked into a language barrier. > > > > Having in mind Snowden likely have large pile of slides, if he got > > owned, likely all/the majority of them would likely be fake. > > Is this plausible? > > > Not necessarily, that's not how disinfo works a lot of the time. > > And did you missed the us-natsec trolling about the eu appearing to > > trust Snowden's slides (though sometimes they can't prove it)? > > > No, there just wasn't much to respond to. > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Georgi Guninski <[3]guninski@guninski.com> > wrote: > > > So assuming Snowden "borrowed" the slide from the NSA and he didn't get > > owned, the slide is _REAL_. > > > > Having in mind Snowden likely have large pile of slides, if he got > > owned, likely all/the majority of them would likely be fake. > > > > Is this plausible? > > > > And did you missed the us-natsec trolling about the eu appearing to > > trust Snowden's slides (though sometimes they can't prove it)? > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 08:22:37AM -0400, Michael Best wrote: > > > No but as I and others have noted, he didn't look at all of the materials > > > he handed over to journalists and couldn't possibly be expected to > > remember > > > all the ones he did see well enough to possibly be able to ID this one as > > > altered or forged. He was only able to argue against the other documents > > > because he had never been in touch with the outlet releasing them, > > contrary > > > to their apparent belief. > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Georgi Guninski <[4]guninski@guninski.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 07:50:14AM -0400, Michael Best wrote: > > > > > As I think I said in the other thread, less specific charges that > > require > > > > > more specific proof and almost never leveled before a trial is set, > > > > because > > > > > it forces the issue to be tried in the court of public opinion, > > where a > > > > lot > > > > > of information can't be released lest it spoil an investigation or > > > > > potential trial. There's also the fact that there'd be little to > > gain at > > > > > this point by alleging that the slides are fake since there would be > > few > > > > > people to believe it, > > > > > > > > > > "NSA hasn't said it's fake" doesn't seem like a strong argument - > > > > > especially for a non-NSA slide. And again - *Snowden himself* has > > accused > > > > > outlets of releasing slides attributed to him that *he says he did > > not > > > > > provide*. > > > > > > > > > Likely the NSA would distribute fake slides just to discredit Snowden. > > > > > > > > Does Snowden deny the authencity of this slide? > > > > > > > > This slide appeared in _too many_ news AFAICT to get unnoticed. > > > > > > References 1. mailto:guninski@guninski.com 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joint_Threat_Research_Intelligence_Group&oldid=670966374 3. mailto:guninski@guninski.com 4. mailto:guninski@guninski.com