My favourite pithy version of this: "collapse now and avoid the rush". :) On 5 October 2015 12:18:33 IST, Steve Kinney wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/05/2015 05:43 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: Good ideas in this thread so far. What I would add is, get the F away from population centers; they are very hungry machines that will start to fail in very bad ways whenever any of their major inputs are substantially reduced for more than a few weeks - even without panic and martial law factored in. On moving way out of town: Sooner is better, because as the industrial economy crumbles everyone will get the same bright idea and that land ain't empty. It's occupied by communities where it takes time to learn the human landscape and build trust relationships. On arrival start working to establish oneself in an economic role that will continue to pay off in the form of mutual aid and bartering of labor and commodities, as the value of Federal Reserve Notes spirals down. As for cash money, I like silver way more than gold: People will kill you much sooner for gold than silver, and the value of silver has been steadily rising due to industrial applications drawing down the world supply faster than mining is able to replace it. Another thing to think about is identifying technology that will stay relevant to the practical concerns of feeding and housing people in your local economy when international supply chains go sideways for months or years at a time. Learn what is and isn't important by getting involved in the actual work, and get on top of how to run and fix that stuff, /then/ stockpile spare parts and replacements. In short, start building the world of 2100 today. It's going to be built one way or another; early adopters will have more problems to solve and go down more blind alleys, but that's the price of coming out on top in the long run. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWElyHAAoJEDZ0Gg87KR0Lz3gP/3YxdQenXosirOr4KrKcSxO4 0bYORTFEYm3Hbv9Gj85GYH9wSOgmVT9HRLCKACemvl1HltkCvSW3gCYOb88/rd9A ibRkkuK36NYbqNJP+Ak+5RRpu9Sk699POvL8NQSf5QWoXHqjechiNsCd9bVLSzXA ujk1SCdD6WObj9YE4xsn0NrU+sg8iMAql0WwNlymy0+plHAVmYVluPQhx3Nwh8GA LPqYKR0pULdEgKKoEB9aFOp2zEa5rCw+N90MroMkKn4oeg9AAbJjxBcPgmcQKLVx kpD2xhB0bsfsemqYxzUJjoPhenMVQmelLVPqi41nYO4blfTBAnOrktAJSHTkGc57 zToOk5pJEk+eklHW7LXZ5FeIrm7HddwoOt7evzFD76aVXaJuna01ZZVsEKK1H1cT IrFLbLN/0AQeSI4IUX4JcZbx+fAscsClYBhK3+PSPyFpPKQ8jzixo+8DOG/0YBu8 N26L4w4HWsRkO9UcmuG/sSUDJiAW6+bQAgxU7BMdY/CYjTxJtnRjvxFIc6TARCyD bvU8Wmyi3+wFXkrnOwIWf2XRVKIGbL1gj17xJdkk2s5okB+I1LzbiwGPO4c74J/H Y/7qf7UoTp0v0RXeu/VXMHXdK9J3BmaTRb4AXhgrKRbji5QXmxPytXnvZS/XufUs vroIaAxcr6UT9S/0J6fc =PmoB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.