I think I can rephrase to clarify. 2015-09-21 1:04 GMT+02:00 Lodewijk andré de la porte <[1]l@odewijk.nl>: We may move from 99% to 99.9% puppets. It's just a way to generalize the population, to silence the masses, to present happiness and freedom to be guaranteed for all. Without alarm the watchers will turn to sleep, and under that dark moon the world will change. I meant this would practically guarantee everyone the funds to be healthy, choose one's daily activity freely, and for lack of want be happy. That guarantee seems so sufficient that it's as if there will be no more injustice due to power imbalance. As if the injustice done by the wealthy is only because of the existence of the "too poor". I think it will lead to a greater divergence in wealth. I'm not actually sure if that will be a problem, but if wealth remains so direct a means for power, well, it very well could be a problem. (note: democracy is more sensitive to wealth==power due to the effectiveness of funding popular opinion campaigns, advertising, new magazines, popular culture inserts, etc) I think the immediate gain of guaranteed personal freedoms; freedom from labor, freedom to self-improve, freedom to perform altruism, freedom to perform art, and yes, even freedom to party, are worth a great deal. Yet, it will create a future where nobody is willing to revolt, and the state is in even further reaching control. The peace of mind for being guaranteed a minimum of wealth, and the ability to do what you believe is right. Dwarf Fortress is a unique game started by someone support by his brother, and it became the inspiration of Minecraft, which became quite a valuable company. Without years and years of seemingly unprofitable development, that could not have happened, as Dwarf Fortress seems to far out to invest in. I can't even phantom how much better Open Source software would become =) "Don't bite the hand that feeds" will become very applicable to government. I think that's a risk. Sometimes the hand of government needs a bite, just to keep it from fondling too much. I suppose I'm worried popular perception will move in favor of deep government involvement, also as part of improved democratic participation and controls, with aspects of economy and personal life. (ex: why should you own property? If the state owns it and rents it to people, it's much more manageable! We can make sure all buildings are in good order, politely force people to move for new construction, ensure regionally consistent housing, etc) We'll see. I like BI as a generalized welfare program, the culture will be whatever the culture develops into. It could be [2]Star Trek level amazing, or it could be [3]Idiocracy level disappointing. Hell, it could be both at the same time! References 1. mailto:l@odewijk.nl 2. http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/11/18/star_trek_economy_federation_is_only_mostly_post_scarcity.html 3. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/