What does 'privacy respecting' even mean?
   It's certainly a win for the FOSS crowd but FOSS isn't synonymous with
   'Privacy and Security'.
   If a product markets itself as 'privacy respecting' (is the Librem
   actually marketed this way) then it had better back up it's claims.
   If someone on cpunks asks if it's a reasonable 'privacy laptop' and the
   answer isn't a bet-your-life on it yes, then the response should be
   clearly no, even if it's 'a nice nth step'.
   -Travis

   On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Cathal Garvey
   <[1]cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:

     TBF, nobody's going to make that Privacy-Respecting laptop if people
     reject the "most privacy respecting laptop so far" for not being
     good enough. Because, we can keep moving the goalposts, here.
     Librem isn't perfect, and its BIOS isn't fully free. But it's
     free-er than almost any other laptop being sold that's worth owning,
     and it even comes with a hardware switch for some key sensors.
     I could ask for more, but bitching and rejecting the Librem because
     it's not-good-enough, and buying a laptop with NO respect for me on
     the basis that "I can just roll my own", continues to send the
     market the message that:
     1) Free software doesn't sell
     2) Privacy doesn't sell
     On 14/09/15 13:37, Travis Biehn wrote:

     Oshwm: Seems reasonable. It would be cool if consumers started
     valuing
     privacy-oriented products, now the whole plot is lost once a company
     uses a 3rd party load balancer? Nice.
     "Every hardware chip individually selected for being
     freedom-respecting"
     Is that in the datasheet for each chip "no backdoors & 100%
     certified
     vulnerability free"? Does an Intel chipset laptop manufactured in
     Shenzen really count as 'thoughtful and freedom respecting'?
     “Getting rid of the signature checking is an important step. While
     it
     doesn’t give us free code for the firmware, it means that users will
     really have control of the firmware once we get free code for it.” -
     Dr.
     Richard M. Stallman
     And without signature checks how will we prevent un-solicited BIOS
     modification?
     Securing their Trisquel derived distro?
     RMS doesn't have 'robust against nation state attackers' on his
     platform
     for GNU. They're still just trying to get people to comply with the
     license & refer to it as 'gnu / linux'.
     Don't mistake a 'FOSS' laptop for a 'Privacy Laptop' just because
     they
     installed a switch for the webcam. The privacy stuff is just the
     work of
     marketing.
     -Travis
     On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 1:36 AM, Oshwm <[2]oshwm@openmailbox.org
     <mailto:[3]oshwm@openmailbox.org>> wrote:
         Links go via cloudflare so privacy already abused before even
         purchasing.
         On 14 September 2015 03:11:12 BST, Alfie John
     <[4]alfiej@fastmail.fm
         <mailto:[5]alfiej@fastmail.fm>> wrote:
             Just saw these this morning:
                [6]https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism
                [7]https://puri.sm/
             Although a physical switch to kill the webcam and mic seems
     obvious,
             this is the first laptop I've seen with them built in.
             Overall thoughts?
             Alfie
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