interesting

   and devastating that fucking barrett is writing for fucking intercept
   ... whenever he gets out of solitary i guess  = horror

   gg didnt even know anything about pierre before he signed up to work
   for him and fucking scahill thought that was funny haha ... money

   On Aug 23, 2015 9:40 AM, "Steve Kinney" <[1]admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:

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     On 08/22/2015 12:49 PM, Softy wrote:
     >
     > appears to stand up well.  I believe it's very possible that
     > Snowden never obtained access to the useful and relevant
     > technical documents that seem to be missing from his dump:
     >
     >
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     und-leaked-prism-documents-authenticity/5338673
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     >
     >  :o/
     >
     > ​
     >
     > This speaks to the success of the SCI model, more than
     > anything about Snowden.  He had widespread network access - but
     > not specific compartmental access.  I would guess rather than
     > risk exposing himself he intentionally didn't (or couldn't)
     > attempt an active spoof of credentials needed to gain SCI
     > access - which is where the technical details live.  Everything
     > I have seen dumped from his trove is purely
     > presentational/summary reports handed around between
     > offices/echelons and posted on intranets for dissemination.
     My thoughts exactly:  Snowden never left the reservation when he
     collected his docs, except in that he copied quite a lot of them
     and carried them out.  Reading up on what your internal customers
     use the network for is healthy and encouraged behavior for admins
     - - up to the point of "sensitive sources and methods."
     >
     > In the big picture those details don't change the validity of
     > the trove -- any criticism based on the 'lack of code' is
     > purely an apologist or diversion tactic.  I think the situation
     > speaks for itself: Managerial reporting to higher speaks to
     > tech capabilities just as great as actual tech source.
     > Similarly, intent is very difficult to discern from knowing
     > technical ability, however is readily gleaned from managerial
     > planning/status updates - especially at higher echelons.
     Ah yup.
     Project scopes, code names, and functional descriptions give one a
     high level but fairly definitive picture of the systems described.
      Once one knows what they are doing, the how is largely self
     explanatory.  The only surprise in the whole Snowden dump is the
     scope and depth of U.S. engagement in cyber-spying:  Going from
     well founded suspicion to detailed documentary evidence is a
     quantum leap, converting knowledge into intelligence.
     The extent of Greenwald & Co. cooperation with State authorities,
     vs. purely commercial motives, remains an open question.
     It may be a coincidence that the first two Big Stories of the
     Snowden Saga broke on the same days as the last two major events
     in the Manning trial.  Greenwald knocked Chelsea's story right off
     the public's radar.  I do believe in coincidences, but I try not
     to bet on them, and this one casts a creepy, PsyOps kind of light
     on the Snowden business.  The sale of those documents to Pierre
     Omidyar also seems a little creepy to me:
     [4]http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/12/13/greenwald-omidyar-join
     t-v
     enture-the-blurring-lines-between-being-a-source-being-a-journalist/
     One content gap that I find puzzling is the absence of references
     in published Snowden docs to what was formerly called Romas/COIN
     then Odyssey, a system revealed by the H.B. Gary e-mail dump.
     Maybe I missed a description of that program under another name: I
     have not been reading everything that comes down the pipe.
     Romas/COIN was the name of Uncle Sam's cellular network, smart
     phone and social media surveillance and exploitation toolkit from
     Hell (see [5]echelon2.org). As a rich source of high quality
     collection in regions vital to the National Interest, I am sure
     that the NSA taps into this kit's databases and/or work products,
     even if it "belongs to" another Service.  Maybe somebody here
     recognizes Romas/COIN as somthing appearing under another name in
     Snowden docs?
     :o)
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References

   1. mailto:admin@pilobilus.net
   2. http://www.globalresearch.ca/nsa-deception-operation-questions-sur
   3. http://www.globalresearch.ca/nsa-deception-operation-questions-surro
und-leaked-prism-documents-authenticity/5338673
   4. http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/12/13/greenwald-omidyar-joint-venture-the-blurring-lines-between-being-a-source-being-a-journalist/
   5. http://echelon2.org/