yay somehow USG 'legally' permits surveillance/search/seizure without a warrant of US persons if they are outside of the US - take a walk to canada and you loose your rights ... did people ever really have them? maybe before EO 12333 shit is fucked up and bullshit what do we think of this kind of cory doctorow work john? [1]https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/introduction-to-cyber-security/4 /register as some think security is a myth and actually letting everything be public is safer - does it have to be either or? [f18dQhb0S7ks8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9gXrN7sKj6v5dfb6W5vwkZs7fZjrnW2BpKgF2zlZNzW 8v-hnY1k1H6H0?si=5459291358625792&pi=2529c801-485a-4f67-a379-936275 be3c4f] On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:13 PM, John Young <[2]jya@pipeline.com> wrote: The NYT-Propublica is an informative and impressive release, in many ways better than previous. It expands on the earlier revelations (as the narratives state) with some overlap and filling in gaps. A good sign the holders of the balance of the Snowden dump are digging deeper and learning how convey a fuller picture or at least a more enthralling one for the public while techologists twiddle thumbs awaiting useful data to devise defenses. (A hint from some Snowden withholders there may be handoffs to technologists separate from the public. Schneier, Matthew Green, a few other comsec wizards aiding publishers have said as much.) Hardly complete to be sure, with about 10% of the dump published, with plenty of gaps indicated by jumps in narratives and still too many redactions -- presumably the result of consulting with officials as heretofore disclosed, or due to Snowen's instructions about what to withhold, either to "avoid national security harm" or in expectation US prosecutors might be mollified in the negotiations for his return to the US. Most frustratingly, details of the spying technology are missing with emphasis still on slide shows and textual summaries -- most likely to satisfy the public rather than technologists at home and national opponents. Jacob Appelbaum's and a few others releases of the technology are the exception, civil liberties and lawful issues remaining in the forefront of released documents and much more so for the journalistic accounts. It might be surmised that staying away from technology disclosures and featuring 5-Eyes and partners prowess and comprehensiveness of slides and text serves to warn the enemy of what's in store without disclosing information to defend against it. In particular, Snowden's and associates harping on the need for widespread, strong encryption use, even though the documents show how the spies bypass it, undermine it, use it for deception, implant backdoors in it (as well as in chips, OSes, routers, nodes, cable stations, server farms, teleco hubs, virtually everywhere in the global system as shown in this latest release) should be taken as a warning encryption is not the magic cape its proponents claim. This suggests reliance upon encryption may be a decoy to divert attention from other comsec protection, the old CryptoAG ploy: The most trusted comsec the most likely not. The tremendous rush to market cybersecurity means and methods for public consumption, combined with 5-Eyes outreach to industry for means and methods to defeat cybersecurity, is a wonderful paradox, albeit powerfully stenching with treachery. Whether Snowden is more of a hero to the public than to 5-Eyes and its partners is up for future historical debate. Say 25-30 years ahead, about the time required for full disclosure of the Snowden dump at the current rate of release (to the public, not clear which wizards getting early access are developing products, sales and industries to capitalize on cybersecurity alarm, some most assuredly are based on their inability to avoid bragging about being consulted by government, industry, NGOs,, vulture capitalists, and the usual speaker bureaus where wizards flog their skills.) -- Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 [3]carimachet@gmail.com AIM carismachet Syria +963-099 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Berlin +49 152 11779219 Reykjavik +354 894 8650 Twitter: @carimachet <[4]https://twitter.com/carimachet> 7035 690E 5E47 41D4 B0E5 B3D1 AF90 49D6 BE09 2187 Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this information, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email without permission is strictly prohibited. References 1. https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/introduction-to-cyber-security/4/register 2. mailto:jya@pipeline.com 3. mailto:carimachet@gmail.com 4. https://twitter.com/carimachet