fuck eff On Aug 11, 2015 11:16 PM, "Cathal Garvey" <[1]cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote: Forcing those in power *not* to look back at us, and granting ourselves greater ability to visualise power's actions, are not mutually exclusive goals. We should be doing both, including methods to hide ourselves and to better monitor and hold accountable those in power. Of course, those monitoring are often punished, so necessarily the ability to monitor *and* hide go hand in hand. In other words I reckon the approach of fighting mass surveillance (including acknowledging that corporations are NOT people and their surveillance is qualitatively different from my private CCTV system) and pushing for greater transparency, in tandem with mass-crypto and ubiquitous sousveillance, is exactly the right thing to do..and it's more or less what I think we're doing already globally with the cypherpunk, pirate party, and eff-ist movements. On 11/08/15 20:49, Sean Lynch wrote: So what do people think of David Brin's "transparent society" approach to this problem? We can't completely stop ourselves from being watched, but we can make use of all this technology ourselves. Police have ALPRs and dashcams and bodycams, but by and large they have actually resisted expansions of their own surveillance because they want the flexibility to be able to make up justifications after the fact. Phone cams have for the most part taken that choice away from them. The result seems likely to be less police abuse than at any point since at least the early 20th century in the US. Even Snowden's leaks were enabled by very similar technologies to what the NSA deploys against us. Is there any reason to believe that, overall, technology will benefit governments more than it does individuals? -- Scientific Director, IndieBio EU Programme Now running in Cork, Ireland May->July Learn more at indie.bio and follow along! Twitter: @onetruecathal Phone: [2]+353876363185 miniLock: JjmYYngs7akLZUjkvFkuYdsZ3PyPHSZRBKNm6qTYKZfAM [3]peerio.com: cathalgarvey References 1. mailto:cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me 2. tel:+353876363185 3. http://peerio.com/