2015-08-03 8:22 GMT+09:00 Zenaan Harkness <[1]zen@freedbms.net>:

     > If it runs Android apps (protip: Android's JVM is open source) in
     a more
     > secure manner (like, uhm, in-hardware-sandboxing? Libre Hypervisor
     CPU with
     > the OS on it, and a jailed EvilCorp coprocessor that does the
     Android
     > stuff?) it doesn't seem to take that much to build a smartphone
     nowadays
     > (looking at Chinaphones, that is).
     <slaps forehead>
     Of course! We've all missed that obvious for so long - put JVM in a
     secure open source hypervisor and the world will be safe. That would
     even encourage me to be less sarcastic.

   JVM in a proper jail would indeed solve many of our problems. If you're
   saying we can't develop a proper jail, then, well, maybe your sarcasm
   can shield us from the future instead.
   If some variant of "but then there's this" is on your tongue, yes
   there's many other issues too. I'm pretty sure they can all be dealt
   with.

     > And, many of the people that want it "truly secure" will
     understand that
     > the products will cost more than a mass-produced NSA sponsored
     unit.
     Perhaps Google could kick this project off - they already own
     Android
     and they must have the dollars. In fact Intel could produce the CPU,
     Foxconn can build the handsets, Google can install the software and
     the NSA can deliver them to us^B^B^B sorry, the Postal Service can
     deliver them to us.

   I don't really know what kind of satire you're playing here :(
   If I squint I can see an argument along the lines of "but I won't trust
   you either" - which is entirely destructive. In the Bitcoin world
   there's some attempts to make trust less needed - but still deliver
   services. A 2-out-of-3 multisig wallet where the service holds one key,
   you hold another, and a trusted third party (a notary of your choosing,
   your safe, whatever) holds a key you generated and gave that party is a
   rather good way, for example, to securely store your money.
   Now you can run off screaming "LOL U R USING NSA CYRPTO WHAHA" and
   continue eating rocks instead, but try being clearer and less "funny"
   while doing so.

     We have a plan for a better world. It starts with money. Money and
     trust. Trust. But not without money. More money. And technology.
     Technology and money. I'll leave you to contact Goog to start this
     ball rolling.

   Your comments are neither in depth nor self evident.
   I'm not going to expand on the virtues and evils on capitalism. It
   suffices to say that money is here to stay, and we better make good
   goddamn use of it. We'll need it to live well, and allow others to live
   well while supporting the cause. I think it's better to deserve (earn)
   the money than to beg for it. If capitalism is a remotely sane system
   that must be possible. Feel free to propose an alternative.
   I talked about trust a bit before. There's always going to be some
   trust. If you're reasonable about the amount and type of trust it's
   entirely workable.
   Technology is the mantra here. If you want it otherwise, go elsewhere.

References

   1. mailto:zen@freedbms.net