@tigru my 10 yr old would absolutely be interested in MC/learning to code. Please contact me with more information if this becomes a reality. On Sat, Apr 25, 2015, 4:21 PM <[1]tigrutigru@gmail.com> wrote: RE: Cypherpunk Kidz @Travis Such a good point about "yellow submarine graphics". I didn't want to reply to the whole list, just wanted to say that it's a really spot on remark. Kids are not idiots. I'd rather come to a Minecraft server as a kid and as an adult. There are some good MC projects for learning code. Nothing with security twist though I came across. Barclays is cool, ok, but, I wasn't sure what it has to do with Cypherpunk Kidz - it's not so much about security and encryption? We're up for setting up a Minecraft server for this purpose - learn code & security. Let me know if anyone would be interested to join: I can chat about it in detail in separate thread. @Rysiek - any thoughts? Also - multiplayers so make good live streams. 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Re: [cryptography] Shamir Reveals Sisyphus Algorithm (John Young) > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 19:53:28 +0300 > From: Georgi Guninski <[7]guninski@guninski.com> > To: [8]cypherpunks@cpunks.org > Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz > Message-ID: <20150424165328.GA2620@sivokote.iziade.m$> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 08:54:42AM -0700, Razer wrote: >> >> In case the 'adults' here can't find it, the control 'console' is >> U-Left, with whirlygig on top. >> >> [9]http://barclayscodeplayground.co.uk/ > > this appears unusable without javascript and/or cookies. > > not to mention it uses google analytics for spam. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:48:49 -0400 > From: Travis Biehn <[10]tbiehn@gmail.com> > To: Georgi Guninski <[11]guninski@guninski.com> > Cc: "[12]cypherpunks@cpunks.org" <[13]cypherpunks@cpunks.org> > Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > We're left to guess at what the point is but I doubt that Barclay's use of > javascript, cookies and analytics platforms are what Razer is pointing out. > I presume that Razer is miffed at the obvious indoctrination play that > comes off as a bit creepy. Perhaps Razer would like to see a Cpunks themed > playground where opsec is taught to toddlers? > > "If you*re aged 7- 17 > and enjoyed Barclays Code Playground, > we’d love you to > come along to a > coding session in branch. > > ch@llengeschallenges > and many more things to code. > >> Our trained Digital Eagles > will be there > to help you take your > coding skills > > Barclay's bank, you know they're cool because they use the wrong symbols > for punctuation and substitute letters for look-alike glyphs. > > -Travis > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Georgi Guninski <[15]guninski@guninski.com> > wrote: > >>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 08:54:42AM -0700, Razer wrote: >>> >>> In case the 'adults' here can't find it, the control 'console' is >>> U-Left, with whirlygig on top. >>> >>> [16]http://barclayscodeplayground.co.uk/ >> >> this appears unusable without javascript and/or cookies. >> >> not to mention it uses google analytics for spam. > > > > -- > Twitter <[17]https://twitter.com/tbiehn> | LinkedIn > <[18]http://www.linkedin.com/in/travisbiehn> | GitHub <[19]http://github.com/tbiehn> > | TravisBiehn.com <[20]http://www.travisbiehn.com> | Google Plus > <[21]https://plus.google.com/+TravisBiehn> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <[22]http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20150424/29 45ccd1/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:10:34 -0700 > From: Razer <[23]Rayzer@riseup.net> > To: [24]cypherpunks@cpunks.org > Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz > Message-ID: <[25]553A871A.5020505@riseup.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > >> On 04/24/2015 09:53 AM, Georgi Guninski quoted me & wrote: >>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 08:54:42AM -0700, Razer wrote: >>> In case the 'adults' here can't find it, the control 'console' is >>> U-Left, with whirlygig on top. >>> >>> [26]http://barclayscodeplayground.co.uk/ >> this appears unusable without javascript > > You miss the point. CODING. Besides, I'm absofuckinglutely sure BARCLAYS > put all sorts of nasty Jscripts onsite to tamper with kid's computers. > >> and/or cookies. > > I didn't inspect the text bodies but their names indicate they're there > to prove you viewed their cookie policy. Besides, the intertubz wouldn't > work very well without them. (Get out much?) Use a cookie cleaner > occasionally and block 3rd party cookies. Problem solved. > >> >> not to mention it uses google analytics for spam. > > GhostServ or NoScript blocks it. No site NEEDS it to function correctly. > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 819 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: <[27]http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20150424/b0 9945a2/attachment-0001.sig> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:49:51 -0700 > From: Shelley <[28]shelley@misanthropia.org> > To: <[29]cypherpunks@cpunks.org> > Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz > Message-ID: <20150424184935.F14E8C00016@frontend1.nyi.internal> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed > >> On April 24, 2015 11:39:14 AM Travis Biehn <[30]tbiehn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> We're left to guess at what the point is but I doubt that Barclay's use of >> javascript, cookies and analytics platforms are what Razer is pointing out. > > Obviously not. But the use of such nonsense (all of which I block) will > keep people like me from wasting time by going to the site, so I thank > Georgi for the heads-up. > > -S > > >> I presume that Razer is miffed at the obvious indoctrination play that >> comes off as a bit creepy. Perhaps Razer would like to see a Cpunks themed >> playground where opsec is taught to toddlers? >> >> "If you*re aged 7- 17 >> and enjoyed Barclays Code Playground, >> we’d love you to >> come along to a >> coding session in branch. >> >> > ch@llengeschallenges >> and many more things to code. >> >>> Our trained Digital Eagles >> will be there >> to help you take your >> coding skills >> > >> Barclay's bank, you know they're cool because they use the wrong symbols >> for punctuation and substitute letters for look-alike glyphs. >> >> -Travis >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Georgi Guninski <[31]guninski@guninski.com> >> wrote: >> >>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 08:54:42AM -0700, Razer wrote: >>>> >>>> In case the 'adults' here can't find it, the control 'console' is >>>> U-Left, with whirlygig on top. >>>> >>>> [32]http://barclayscodeplayground.co.uk/ >>> >>> this appears unusable without javascript and/or cookies. >>> >>> not to mention it uses google analytics for spam. >> >> >> >> -- >> Twitter <[33]https://twitter.com/tbiehn> | LinkedIn >> <[34]http://www.linkedin.com/in/travisbiehn> | GitHub <[35]http://github.com/tbiehn> >> | TravisBiehn.com <[36]http://www.travisbiehn.com> | Google Plus >> <[37]https://plus.google.com/+TravisBiehn> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 16:00:02 -0300 > From: Juan <[38]juan.g71@gmail.com> > To: [39]cypherpunks@cpunks.org > Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz > Message-ID: <[40]553a91af.4cc28c0a.1bad.ffffead8@mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > children like cookies > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:09:52 -0700 > From: Razer <[41]Rayzer@riseup.net> > To: [42]cypherpunks@cpunks.org > Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz > Message-ID: <[43]553AA310.9000707@riseup.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > >> On 04/24/2015 10:48 AM, Travis Biehn wrote: >> Perhaps Razer would like to see a Cpunks themed playground where opsec >> is taught to toddlers? > > Cool! We getz to sling tarballs at each other too? > > Re: >> I presume that Razer is miffed at the obvious indoctrination play that >> comes off as a bit creepy. > > What kind of creeps me is the Yellow Submarine-like graphics, a > throwback to my teen years. If they REALLY want to attract kids nowdays > Miley Cyrus 1/2 nekkid Twerking gifs and Call of Duty gamergore would > probably attract more. > > BTW, and OT, I think I've found the first recorded use of the word "Twerk". > > Frank Zappa's tender Autumn/Spring love ballad, Magdalena. Albeit none > of the lyrics sites show that word in the song, it's plainly there if > one listens to the track. > > [44]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKFUOnnSF0c (incl. Dog Breath). > >> There was a man >> A little ole man >> Who lived in Montreal >> With a wife and a kid >> And a car and a house >> And a teenage daughter >> With a see-thru blouse >> Who loved to TWERK (grunt) and ball- >> And her name was Magdalena >> >> Magdalena . . . >> >> The little ole man >> Came home one night >> To his house in Montreal. >> He caught his daughter >> In the blouse by the light >> And he said to himself: >> "She looks all right!" >> And he reached for a tit >> And grabbed it tight >> And threw her up >> Against the wall >> (BLUE CROSS!) >> Magdalena . . . >> >> My daughter dear, >> Do not be concerned when your >> Canadian daddy comes near. >> My daughter dear >> Do not be concerned when your >> Canadian daddy comes near. >> I work so hard, >> Don't you understand, >> Making maple syrup >> For the pancakes of our land. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 819 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: <[45]http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20150424/32 c18c88/attachment-0001.sig> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:11:56 -0700 > From: Razer <[46]Rayzer@riseup.net> > To: [47]cypherpunks@cpunks.org > Subject: Re: An intro to coding for Cypherpunk kidz > Message-ID: <[48]553AA38C.2070201@riseup.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > +1 > >> On 04/24/2015 12:00 PM, Juan wrote: >> children like cookies > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 819 bytes > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > URL: <[49]http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20150424/c8 7fdb2f/attachment-0001.sig> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 10:44:47 -0400 > From: John Young <[50]jya@pipeline.com> > To: Ben Laurie <[51]ben@links.org> > Cc: cpunks <[52]cypherpunks@cpunks.org>, [53]cryptome@freelists.org, > Cryptography Mailing List <[54]cryptography@metzdowd.com>, Crypto > discussion list <[55]cryptography@randombit.net> > Subject: Re: [cryptography] Shamir Reveals Sisyphus Algorithm > Message-ID: <[56]E1Ym1Is-0004ua-W7@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Indeed. Inherent leakiness of digital technology is a gift of Olympus, > aka James Bidzos aka RSA. Never enough fault-rich crypto. > > Digitalization might be the quintessential foolhardiness, or comsec > opportunism, which had led to endless apologies, apologias, apoplexies. > > And hurrahs among investors, urging hackers and insiders to spill > secrets sufficient to assure comsec-panicky buyers. Bug bounties > hilariously, assuredly, self-defeating as backdoor warnings. > > At 09:49 AM 4/25/2015, Ben Laurie wrote: >>> On 22 April 2015 at 17:24, John Young <[57]jya@pipeline.com> wrote: >>> Futility of trying to eliminate every single vulnerability in a given piece >>> of software. >> >> The name of the game is to protect the secrets despite bugs. 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