mirimir - heres some fucked up people (laura poitras) talkin about the shit [1]https://youtu.be/KzZfOOvwAMM?t=22m44s i found that area of the report its at 22:44 the link should take you there even laura at least thinks about when to film / when not to btw she talked snowden into filming in hong kong - was it ethical for her to do it as he was under incredible duress?? i dont know .... i question her and glenns role and wikileaks role in him being now trapped in russia but maybe its the best place for him i dont know ... but i still get to question the ethics of their role... there are other places he could have gone my problem with laura as with jeremy is that they are too capitalistic and therein breech ethics [f18dQhb0S7ks8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9gXrN7sKj6v5dfb6W5vwkZs7fZjrnW2BpKgF2zlZNzW 8v-hnY1k1H6H0?si=5459291358625792&pi=50d551dd-e368-411e-c78e-57876a 602b31] On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Mirimir <[2]mirimir@riseup.net> wrote: On 04/06/2015 04:01 PM, Cari Machet wrote: > mirimir - you prove you know what was in the mind of the filmmaker and then > prove that the overriding factor in any documentary is absolutely what was > in the mind of the filmmaker I prove nothing. I have opinions. > could it possible be that the story matters more than the filmmaker - ya > think maybe ? maybe possibly ? What matters most, to me, is that he made the documentary. And in that context, it seems odd to focus on his artistic (even moral) choices in how to make it. > plus your 'proposiition' is not evidence - its no excuse for him exploiting > a dead body anyway You say "exploiting", and I say "making it real". > people when you are an ethical journalist you are careful not to exploit > images of children, people that are unconscious etc as they do not have a > say in the image content - if this is breeched it is possible they are > being exploited but to then place oneself in the frame is just beyond all > of that even - that is totally unethical So you say. Do you have cites for that? > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Mirimir <[3]mirimir@riseup.net> wrote: > >> On 04/06/2015 02:45 PM, Cari Machet wrote: >>> scahill was being filmed in the fucking morgue not at the site of the >> drone >>> strike - the persons body was on a slab for fuck sake >>> >>> ambulance chasing times 1 trillion >> >> The point, which you seem to miss, was to make it real for the audience. >> It would have been better to shoot footage at the site of the drone >> strike, of course. But I presume that the crew didn't arrive in time for >> that. Anyway, by putting Scahill in the shot, they emphasize that he was >> there, and actually saw the victims. That could be CGIed, and so the >> audience still needs to trust him. >> >>> you humans can give him every fucking award that exists in your >> arsenal... >>> i wont line up >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Mirimir <[4]mirimir@riseup.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 04/06/2015 12:22 PM, Bethany wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 06/04/15 12:59 PM, Cari Machet wrote: >>>>>> its not a 'claim' watch his film that was up for an academy award >>>>> >>>>>> there is a scene in mogadishu where he is in the morgue there is a >>>>> dead body and him in the scene he is standing right next to it - the >>>>> person was hit by a drone strike >>>>> >>>>>> no journalist gets filmed with dead bodies it is unethical it never >>>>> happens >>>>> >>>>>> perhaps if you were a journalist in the field you would understand >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Absolutely. The first thing any good journalist should think when he's >>>>> investigating drone strikes and is permitted to witness the examination >>>>> of a body of a victim is "shit, don't film me here, where I am! So >>>> gauche!" >>>> >>>> You're being ironic, I trust. >>>> >>>> I rather think that "Dirty Wars" should have shown lots of remains, and >>>> sequences of people looking for little burned bits scattered about. >>>> Maybe the film did feature too much of Scahill. He's no Michael Moore. >>>> But a scene showing Obama receiving some gift made from a victim's femur >>>> would have been priceless :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 [5]carimachet@gmail.com AIM carismachet Syria +963-099 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Berlin +49 152 11779219 Reykjavik +354 894 8650 Twitter: @carimachet <[6]https://twitter.com/carimachet> 7035 690E 5E47 41D4 B0E5 B3D1 AF90 49D6 BE09 2187 Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this information, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email without permission is strictly prohibited. References 1. https://youtu.be/KzZfOOvwAMM?t=22m44s 2. mailto:mirimir@riseup.net 3. mailto:mirimir@riseup.net 4. mailto:mirimir@riseup.net 5. mailto:carimachet@gmail.com 6. https://twitter.com/carimachet