The distinction is crypto is applied. The axioms and rules don't
   require belief or faith - applied crypto has shown time and time again
   to require belief and faith.
   Crypto is opaque - but open.
   DES was once thought to be secure.
   RSA was once thought to be secure.
   PKI was once thought to be secure.
   -Travis

   On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Troy Benjegerdes <[1]hozer@hozed.org>
   wrote:

   On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:20:33PM -0500, [2]dan@geer.org wrote:
   > John Young writes:
   >  | Comsec dream: secure means uniquely controllable by each person.
   >  | Free of faith, scripture, authorities, investors, apologists,
   exploiters.
   >
   >
   > Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy.  The
   > savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe.
   > Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.
   >                         -- Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead (1943)

     From each according to his ability, to each according to his need
     Does this not describe the copyleft and copyfree software? Or maybe
     it describes a world where farmers figure out they can make more
     money by giving away all the food the world needs, and knowing
     when to sell the rest for profit?
     But I have a hard time believing that mathematics is anything other
     than a testable shared belief, in which we all share faith.

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