I don't think it's unfortunate, I think it's complementary. GPL is
   valuable for trailblazing and stamping.out new territory because it
   prevents E3, BSD is valuable because it helps shitty tech companies
   migrate to standards that aren't total snakeoil. Between the two, the
   world improves. Obviously I think GPL is better and more important, but
   that doesn't mean I disparage or undervalue other open work.

   On 8 January 2015 09:26:15 GMT+00:00, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com>
   wrote:

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Ted Smith <tedks@riseup.net> wrote:

     On Wed, 2015-01-07 at 11:33 +0000, Cathal Garvey wrote:

     The GPL acknowledges this by forbidding suits within the scope of
     the
     work (I think: GPL experts on-list?), preventing E3 from occurring.
     Other licenses often take steps in this direction, but the
     ultra-short
     "friendly and permissive" licenses usually don't

     Probably because their model and vision is different, they're
     not really out to modify the world beyond saying "here you
     go, it's free", only out to modify the code, so they've little
     interest in legal longtexts or lawyers.

     terse and legally unenforceable way that they might as well not be.

     The GPLv3+ contains this sort of patent protection

     Section 10, last paragraph, last part. Don't know if that has been
     tested
     in court as other parts have been in the news. And all of paragraph
     11,
     which grants patents.
     [1]https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html

     Freedom is not merely defined in law but in experience, and simply
     removing explicit limitations on freedom (copyleft licenses) does
     not
     mean that the total freedom in the world has increased.

     BSD advocates, I think, are not interested in total freedom in the
     world. This is a CONSEQUENCE or OUTCOME of a choice, not the choice
     itself.

     boils down to consequentialist morals on the GPL side, and
     deontological
     or rule-based morals on the BSD side.

     Yes, depends on definition of freedom. Unfortunately GPL and BSD
     people
     seem define that differently.

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References

   1. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html