Given the difficulty of trusting auditors and ensuring they see all they need to see, why not push instead for crypto FPGA: consuner hardware, widely available. Probably hard to dope-trojan without breaking, and cleverly random allocation of transistors to the HWPRNG could mitigate. An open fpga with an open stack would not only be more trustworthy for crypto, I think it'd help legitimise and pave way for small-batch ASIC, too. On 5 November 2014 08:41:54 GMT+00:00, coderman wrote: On 11/4/14, Bryan Bishop wrote: ... Are there any open-source ASICs for wifi, bluetooth, gsm, cdma, or other communication chips? build in array of direct quadrature modulator circuits (RFIC) in the desired bands for software stacks across all of the above. that gets you performance and efficiency, all in one! (or many, as it were) there are open source SDR stacks for some of the above, however, traditional SDR as crudely shoved into a SoC would not work so well. this is a longer discussion, of course :) I would appreciate any references or links you can provide me to working chains of custody and their threat models. I am curious to see what a good one looks like. a trusted set of auditors is on premise able to observe the wafer processing, litho, etc. to die prep and packing, with device testing results for each core attached. packages collected till end of run, then trusted auditors depart with the set of presumably trusted fabrication parts. I think that chain of custody is going to be problematic because of dopant-level trojans,... the selective FIB deconstruction to verify, along with constructions resistant to stealthy dopant tampering, could leave you more confident that the set of chips so run were not surreptitiously tampered with. obviously, if chain of custody ever broken, the chips become suspect. this is all an amusing thought exercise, given the complete lack of anything remotely as hard to run software wise on top of this idealistic open soc :) best regards, -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.