John, I don't discourage your comments such as this.  Caution must
   always be employed.  But as Freud said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a
   cigar".  Cypherpunks sometimes talk about 'scary' subjects.  Imagine
   if, hypothetically, Phil Zimmerman (who created PGP) had been a
   Cypherpunk list member in, say, 1990.  (Yes, I know the list didn't
   exist until 1992...)  Suppose he had said, "Gee, somebody could write a
   program using RSA algorithms, that even the NSA couldn't crack!"
   <insert Beavis and Butthead laughter.>   Then, another list member
   could say, "Well, somebody else could post it on a U.S. website, and it
   could be downloaded by a person in a foreign country!"  <insert more
   Beavis and Butthead laughter>  And a third listmember could chime in:
   "And thereby crypto could be exported, ILLEGALLY, and nobody would know
   who did it!" <insert still more Beavis and Butthead laughter>.
   Similar kinds of discussions could be imagined about the development of
   thwarting the Clipper chip, imagining AP or (now) 'Sanjuro's 'AM',
   designing Bitcoin, or about setting up a Silk Road-type website, or
   anything else that somebody might consider provocative.
   All of the persons reading the CP list need to learn about the 1969
   Supreme Court case, Brandenburg v. Ohio.
   [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._ohio    Text of that
   case at:
   [2]http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/395/444/case.html
   Talking about a crime, and even openly advocating its commission (with
   the exception of 'imminent lawless action') is generally considered
   protected by the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.  That said, I
   generally make it a rule not to "openly advocate the commission of a
   crime", mostly because government investigators and even prosecutors
   may not be aware of the rights described in the Brandenburg case:  Or,
   a prosecutor may PRETEND to not realize that such open advocacy is not,
   in itself, beyond 1st Amendment protection, at least not until he has
   already obtained a search warrant, investigators have planted evidence,
   made an arrest, etc.
   But, over time, I believe that we (and all other citizens) should come
   to regularly use all the Constitutional protections we have, in part to
   ensure that some of us aren't victimized by using a seldom-used right.
             Jim Bell
   For a comedic take on this theme, see:
   [3]http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/12/nsa-anti-surveillance-suggestion-o
   perati

[4]“Operation Everyone Talk Like a Terrorist All the Time”


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   From: John Young <jya@pipeline.com>
   To: cypherpunks@cpunks.org
   Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 1:39 PM
   Subject: Re: 'Jury Booty' and Anti-prosecution tactics. (Was Re:)
   Maybe Tim May is channeling me, but this talk of messing
   with authorities on cypherpunks smells like list tampering to
   bait and ensare really dumb newbies.
   Playing games is fine, but running entrapments is against
   the house rules.
   That was encouraged in days of old and got jail sentences
   for susceptibles. Since then agent provocateurs, turn-coats
   and informants have become a nice-paying online industry
   and handsome budget inflators for the feds.
   And has bagged a wad of hackers, daring coders and alleged
   accomplices, among them:
   Jim Bell
   Carl Johnson
   Aaron Swartz
   Chelsea Manning
   Julian Assange
   Edward Snowden
   Gottfrid Warg
   Rop Gonggrijp
   Brigitta Jonsdottir
   Jacob Appelbaum
   Hector Monsegur
   Jake Davis
   Ryan Cleary
   Ryan Ackroyd
   Darren Martyn
   Donncha O'Cearrbhail
   Mustafa al-Bassam
   Jeremy Hammond
   Christopher Cooper
   Joshua Covelli
   Raynaldo Rivera
   Cody Kretsinger
   Lauri Love
   Neal Rauhauser
   Keith Downey
   Mercedes Haefer
   Donald Husband
   Ethan Miles
   James Murphy
   Drew Phillips
   Jeffrey Puglisi
   Daniel Sullivan
   Tracy Valenzuela
   Christopher Vo
   Barrett Brown
   Ross Ulbricht
   Andrew Jones
   Gary Davis
   Peter Phillip Nash
   Vladimir Drinkman
   Aleksandr Kalinin
   Roman Kotov
   Dmitriy Smilianets
   Mikhail Rytikov
   These are in last few years.
   Many more in the years before that, some after prison
   becoming security peddlers, journalists, hacker organizers
   and for the rest of their lives rats or sent back into the pokey.
   At least consider being bit more discreet, assholes,
   and in spare time read Gentlepersons Guide to Forum
   Spies:
   [5]http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

References

   1. http:///
   2. http:///
   3. http:///
   4. http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/12/nsa-anti-surveillance-suggestion-operati
   5. http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm