About time this "informed speculation" happened, long overdue. Hope it turns out to be that and more: For those not on the cryptography list by Perry Metzger, the thread so far: [1]http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2013-September/thread .html Heavily moderated, no bullshit except of the highest quality of informed speculation. At 08:08 AM 9/6/2013, you wrote: Plants in the IETF? Sounds plausible. ----- Forwarded message from Phillip Hallam-Baker ----- Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:33:58 -0400 From: Phillip Hallam-Baker To: "Perry E. Metzger" Cc: "cryptography@metzdowd.com" Subject: Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN" On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > I would like to open the floor to *informed speculation* about > BULLRUN. > > Informed speculation means intelligent, technical ideas about what > has been done. It does not mean wild conspiracy theories and the > like. I will be instructing the moderators (yes, I have help these > days) to ruthlessly prune inappropriate material. > > At the same time, I will repeat that reasonably informed > technical speculation is appropriate, as is any solid information > available. [2]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption- codes-security The NSA spends $250m a year on a program which, among other goals, works with technology companies to "covertly influence" their product designs. I believe this confirms my theory that the NSA has plants in the IETF to discourage moves to strong crypto. -- Website: [3]http://hallambaker.com/ _______________________________________________ The cryptography mailing list cryptography@metzdowd.com [4]http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl leitl [5]http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 [6]http://ativel.com [7]http://postbiota.org AC894EC5: 38A5 5F46 A4FF 59B8 336B 47EE F46E 3489 AC89 4EC5 References 1. http://t.co/sdC1xKLOLm 2. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security 3. http://hallambaker.com/ 4. http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography 5. http://leitl.org/ 6. http://ativel.com/ 7. http://postbiota.org/