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grarpamp
grarpamp at gmail.com
Tue Oct 10 13:08:34 PDT 2023
Richard Dolan is a UFO (UAP) researcher and historian. He went on the
Theories of Everything podcast and talked about intelligence agencies
interfering in the UFO community.
[–]LimpCroissant 611 points612 points613 points 23 hours ago (173 children)
I didn't realize that there were bots and people who work so hard to
discredit things that it seems they must be compensated, until I
stumbled into the UFO community. Now it's extremely obvious to myself
and I think pretty much anyone who's been here for a few months.
The hard thing is we're always getting new people into the community
and those people generally (like myself when I entered) don't know
this to be true. So, you get the new people thinking that the people
who have been around longer and talk about this fact are just
"conspiracy theorists" and over imaginative.
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[–]JD_the_Aqua_Doggo 94 points95 points96 points 21 hours ago (14 children)
It was truly refreshing and eye-opening at the same time to hear this
take. Thank you so much for sharing your experience.
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[–]LimpCroissant 112 points113 points114 points 21 hours ago (13 children)
No problem my friend. It's been a while since I've posted these links
proving that the intelligence community spends vast resources to sway
public opinion away from things they don't want to get out. I suppose
it's time again.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks
https://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-legalizes-propaganda-2012-5?r=DE&IR=T#ixzz340YILjax
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/darpa-social-networks-research-twitter-influence-studies
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[–]Life-Celebration-747 40 points41 points42 points 16 hours ago* (10 children)
The government is destroying society. More people need to read these
articles, keep posting.
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[–]LimpCroissant 47 points48 points49 points 16 hours ago (8 children)
The US is just another Rome my friend. Just another empire. People are
so comfortable in thinking that this is how life will always be, nice
and comfy as far as having everything we need, and that the government
will always protect us. Most every government in history that had the
means just kept getting more and more powerful and less and less
concerned about its citizens.
National security is not the security of keeping me and you safe.
National security is protecting the country by any means necessary.
That includes disseminating propaganda to its citizens, doing all
sorts of insanely unethical experimentation of it's own innocent
people, anything it needs to protect the state.
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[–]ihavetoomanyaccts 18 points19 points20 points 15 hours ago (5 children)
Mk ultra baby
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[–]DropsTheMic -1 points0 points1 point 9 hours ago (1 child)
To be fair, some of that didn't sound so bad. If the CIA wants to come
dose me randomly with huge doses of LSD they have my open invitation.
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[–]ihavetoomanyaccts 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children)
Dream on buddy lol
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[–]LuceArsoul 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)
Mortal Kombat?
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[–]Aeropro 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (1 child)
Think mortal Kim at… but ultra 🤯
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[–]LuceArsoul 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago (0 children)
Shang Tsung
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[–]Frosty_Technology842 5 points6 points7 points 11 hours ago (1 child)
"national security" is anything they want it to be.
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[–]shadowofashadow 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children)
National security refers to things that threaten the continuity of
government. Most people think national security refers to things that
threaten the populace but that's not true.
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[–]FinancialBarnacle785 -1 points0 points1 point 8 hours ago (0 children)
Isn't propaganda wonderful? 'Destroying'...? OK. Everybody has a
POV(point of view) just like everybody has a well-working anal orfice.
I accept that a certain amount of awareness of powerful,
well-resourced 'forces'and their intentions toward our minds and
behavior is healthy.
It seems to make us each aware of our susceptibility...and also aware
of our own drive and need to CHOOSE better, more reasonable courses of
action, to reclaim our own humanity and goals...
Go for it, sisters and brothers! NOW is a perfect time to assert
yourself...there are small and large ambitions open to you...
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[–]PickWhateverUsername 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (0 children)
And yet people still cry that Russian bots and propaganda farms aren't
a thing and can't influence elections ...
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[–]Honest-J 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children)
I thought the government was preparing us for disclosure? Which is it,
preparing us or hiding it from us?
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[–]Lanky_Maize_1671 84 points85 points86 points 22 hours ago (31 children)
I find it interesting that your great reply has 30 upvotes as I write
this, the thread doesn't have a single negative reply, yet the overall
post only has two upvotes.
Bot suppression in action?
OP thanks for sharing.
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[–]Woahwoahwoah124 74 points75 points76 points 21 hours ago* (13 children)
The Intelligence Community does have a history of manipulating the
media. I’m not sure if you’ve heard of the Church Committee
investigation back in the 1970s. The House Oversight Committee
investigated the US intelligence community and some of the things it
found were a lot of ways to manipulate public perception and a lot of
illegal activity.
The Guardian had a story on disinformation campaigns it’s crazy.
The Information War - Sam Harris
Is about the Russian Internet Research Agency (IRA) and how they
manipulated social media. They introduce groups different groups with
similar ideas by cross posting political memes to different Facebook
groups, what’s known as cross pollinating, and they would try to
weaken communities from within the communities themselves. It’s a
super interesting piece on the use of disinformation on social media.
On page 15-16 of Intelligence Activity and the Rights of Americans -
Book II - Final Report of the Select Committee to Study Governmental
Operations:
Media Manipulation.
-The FBI has attempted covertly to influence the public's perception
of persons and organizations by disseminating derogatory information
to the press, either anonymously or through "friendly" news contacts.
The impact of those articles is generally difficult to measure,
although in some cases there are fairly direct connections to injury
to the target. The Bureau also attempted to influence media reporting
which would have any impact on the public image of the FBI.
Examples include:
-Planting a series of derogatory articles about Martin Luther King,
Jr., and the Poor People's Campaign." For example, in anticipation of
the 1968 "poor people's march on Washington, D.C.," Bureau
Headquarters granted authority to furnish "cooperative news media
sources" an article "designed to curtail success of Martin Luther
King's fund raising." Another memorandum illustrated how "photographs
of demonstrators" could be used in discrediting the civil rights
movement. Six photographs of participants in the poor people's
campaign in Cleveland accompanied the memorandum with the following
note attached: "These [photographs] show the militant aggressive
appearance of the participants and might be of interest to a
cooperative news source." Information on the Poor People's Campaign
was provided by the FBI to friendly reporters on the condition that
"the Bureau must not be revealed as the source."
-Soliciting information from Field Offices "on a continuing basis" for
"prompt . . . dissemination to the news media . . . to discredit the
New Left movement and its adherents." The Headquarters directive
requested, among other things, that: specific data should be furnished
depicting the scurrilous and depraved nature of many of the
characters, activities, habits and living conditions representative of
New Left adherents.
Field Offices were to be exhorted that: "Every avenue of possible
embarrassment must be vigorously and enthusiastically explored."
-Ordering Field Offices to gather information which would disprove
allegations by the "liberal press, the bleeding hearts, and the forces
on the left" that the Chicago police used undue force in dealing with
demonstrators at the 1968 Democratic Convention.
-Taking advantage of a close relationship with the Chairman of the
Board-described in an FBI memorandum as "our good friend" of a
magazine with national circulation to influence articles which related
to the FBI. For example, through this relationship the Bureau:
"squelched" an "unfavorable article against the Bureau" written by a
freelance writer about an FBI investigation; "postponed publication"
of an article on another FBI case; "forestalled publication" of an
article by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.; and received information about
proposed editing of King's articles.
And page 35 of, Supplementary Detailed Staff Reports on Intelligence
Activity and the Rights of Americans, Book III:
"Friendly"Media
Much of the Bureau's propaganda efforts involved giving information or
articles to "friendly" media sources who could be relied upon not to
reveal the Bureau's interests. The Crime Records Division of the
Bureau was responsible for public relations, including all
headquarters contacts with the media. In the course of its work (most
of which had nothing to do with COINTELPRO) the Division assembled a
list of "friendly" news media sources-those who wrote pro-Bureau
stories. Field offices also had "confidential sources" (unpaid Bureau
informants) in the media, and were able to ensure their cooperation.
The Bureau's use of the news media took two different forms: placing
unfavorable articles and documentaries about targeted groups, and
leaking derogatory information intended to discredit individuals." A
typical example of media propaganda is the headquarters letter
authorizing the Boston Field Office to furnish "derogatory information
about the Nation of Islam (NOI) to established source [name excised]"
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[–]MKULTRA_Escapee 5 points6 points7 points 3 hours ago (0 children)
You’ll enjoy the List Of Proven Conspiracies:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/wiki/lopc
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[+]Big_Pomegranate_7712 comment score below threshold-39 points-38
points-37 points 20 hours ago (11 children)
All of this stuff has rational motivations.
There's no motivation to discredit UAP stuff.....because the reality
is that it's just weird stuff in the sky.
There are no NHI. There are no crashed ships. There is no government
reverse engineering program.
Time to take the tin foil off.
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[–]INcticUS 17 points18 points19 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
Lol do you guys actually expect these feeble shaming tactics to still
work? It’s not 1985 anymore private.
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[–]tribalseth 15 points16 points17 points 19 hours ago* (3 children)
Oh hey speak of the devil! Look everyone, let's all focus our
attention on this adorable little bot. Isn't he cute how he's showing
us all his first words and adventures crawling (on reddit)? Love the
little newborns ;).
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[–]PrincyPy 1 point2 points3 points 18 hours ago (2 children)
The scary part is that with the technology of transformer-based large
language models that have now existed since around 2018 (and became
more widely available to the public since last year, and also much
stronger), companies and government agencies no longer even need to
pay people to run bot farms anymore.
The bots are now actual bots (no longer just a derogatory term for
paid trolls, like it used to be in the past), as LLMs (large language
models) can now match human-level proficiency in natural language and
sophistication. They can engage in conversations in ways that are
indistinguishable from humans.
AI systems, like LLMs that are fine-tuned on human feedback data, will
do a lot of good for humanity, but it's going to come at a steep cost
due to bad actors.
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[–]tribalseth 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (1 child)
They're not indistinguishable from timestamps and creation dates and
clearly motivated behavior. If a real person unfortunately falls into
that category that looks like a bot and behaves like a bot (from their
creation date, and timestamp post/comment history), well that is
unfortunate but negligible impact specific to this very subject, since
if they really wanted to make the case that they were real you could
apply rapid response photo verifcation
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[–]PrincyPy 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children)
You missed the point. A bad actor can now troll at a scale not
previously possible, but also much cheaper. And it's not specific to
this subject. I don't think any government needs that much effort to
squash this subject, as they've been doing an excellent job (at least,
proven for the US government) through the stigma at little cost.
Any social media company that tries to enforce photo verification at
signup will die a quick death. People are too paranoid to accept that,
I think.
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[–]Longstache7065 3 points4 points5 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
This comment by a J. Edgar Hoover worshipping nazi prick has done more
to sell me on UFOs being real and being aliens and our government
having one than *any other thing* I've seen so far.
Just out of curiosity, do you fantasize about fucking Allen Dulles or
do you just straight up imagine servicing Hitler's balls, with loyalty
to traitors and fascists like Dulles and Hoover being "as close as you
can get"??
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[–]Longstache7065 5 points6 points7 points 16 hours ago (1 child)
Are you fucking insane? Rational motives? For promoting fascism and
demolishing community, unions, and civil rights? Holy fucking shit I
am literally in awe.
The FBI needs a full audit with any members still loyal to the
oligarchy instead of the constitution and the people put down for
treason, and we still have monsters like you walking around thinking
being a nazi's a fucking good thing??? Jesus fucking Christ.
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[–]INcticUS 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children)
I don’t agree with him either but why are you calling him a Nazi?
Seems a bit excessive to put it mildly. I’m also not sure how UAP
denial is akin to promoting fascism or demolishing communities, unions
and opposing civil rights. I mean what does that even have to do with
this? I’m really confused by your comment.
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[–]BA_lampman 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago (0 children)
Look at me! I know everything!
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[–]quetzalcosiris 19 points20 points21 points 21 hours ago (14 children)
Hang out in /new for a few days and you'll see the suppression in
action on certain topics. Happens all day, every day.
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[+]Juan_Carlo comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8
points 19 hours ago* (11 children)
Please post evidence. I've been on this sub for years. Very
consistently, I see credulous posts about UFOs upvoted, and skeptical
posts downvoted. It's always been that way. Why? Because UFO true
believers far out number skeptics here.
Yet everyone here is suddenly claiming there's a conspiracy to
downvote and suppress the credulous posts. Like, the first post in
this thread claiming there is a conspiracy has 194 upvotes right now,
while all of the skeptical posts are in the negative.....so how is
there a conspiracy exactly? If the government has bot farms trying to
influence the narrative, it's clearly not working, lol.
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[–]VirtualDoll 5 points6 points7 points 17 hours ago (6 children)
They don't have bot farms, they have shill farms.
You should know. I tagged your account as "sus af" weeks ago.
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[–]Juan_Carlo 8 points9 points10 points 16 hours ago* (4 children)
OK. I moderate like 4 subs (one on an obscure, 1960s, folk singer),
I'm a massive hypochondriac who's spent a large portion of my 6 years
on reddit posting about health anxiety, I'm autistic (post on those
subs), NVLD (post on that sub), gay (post on all the gay subs),
Lutheran (post on those subs too), a college professor (post on those
subs), and am incredibly opinionated about movies and music, writing
volumes on subs related to those topics.
I've posted more on r/UFOs since Grusch, but my posts here are
probably about 5% (or less) of my total Reddit posting output.
But, yeah, you are right. I'm a paid shill who is faking my entire
identity for the past 6 years just to convince a bunch of neckbeards
on reddit that UFOs aren't real, lol.
I get accused of being a shill on this sub almost daily now, though.
I've always taken a skeptical stance on this sub, but the constant
shill/bot accusations here are relatively new. Honestly, they are yet
another sign that the UFO community is quickly transforming into a
sort of cult-mindset.
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[–]Why_Did_Bodie_Die 10 points11 points12 points 15 hours ago (2 children)
The irony is that the government really doesn't have to do anything at
all. They just need to make people THINK they have paid shills out
there then sit back and watch the subs eat themselves. When a guy who
has been reading about UFOs since he was 10 and who NEEDS aliens to be
real so it can give his life meaning comes across a comment that is
telling him he might be wrong the only way he can come to terms with
it is if he thinks the guy telling him he is wrong is actually a paid
government employee. There is no way he could be wrong about aliens
being on earth because surely he is smart enough to follow all the
breadcrumbs so the person telling him he is wrong can't be right. And
since he just read an article that told him the government pats people
to come on subs like this and fuck with people then that is obviously
what is going on.
That's what makes the whole thing perfect. As long as people think
there are shills on here then everytime they read something they don't
like then it must be because of the shills. Even better is that now
that the person thinks everyone who disagrees with him is a shill it
reinforces his beliefs that much more.
"Why would they hire people to tell me I was wrong if I wasn't right?"
If the government really is paying people to come on this sub and fuck
with us then they are wasting their money. The damage is done and we
can do a perfectly fine job at fighting with ourselves without the
help of any government shills.
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[–]Beautiful-Amount2149 3 points4 points5 points 12 hours ago (0 children)
Im convinced the actual paid shills are from the UFO celebs
astroturfing on here to push their narratives to increase viewership
and book sales
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[–]ddt70 1 point2 points3 points 12 hours ago (0 children)
Spoken like a true shill.
(joke!)
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[–]FinancialBarnacle785 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (0 children)
Now, hold on there...what if Grush, et al, are actually convincing us
that UFO-type 'stuff' is REAL? and not the other way around? Very
important to our rulers to have us accept 'superiors' from 'up
there'...superior sky-borne and more, and THEY very conveniently have
blessed and given relevance to OUR current rulers, and I think the
whole cheap reversal 'plot' has at least as much 'spychic reality' as
the usual, 'gummintdevillain' blahblah. It's just the same-o that some
club-wielder a hundred thousand years ago told, after he was scared of
his own shadow and suddenly sneezed, which he'd nevernoticed before,
and swore ever after that he was 'overtaken' by an unexplained
force...connected with breath, therefore 'spiritual'...whee. Off we
go, again... UFOs are just another attempt to influence US to accept
higher and better guidance from 'above', which always translates in
reality into Our Rulers, here on Earth, God-appointed. Same old same
old. You're welcome.
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[–]AlunWH 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (0 children)
I wouldn’t have thought an account with high karma that’s years old is
in any way a bot: it’s just someone you disagree with.
The bot accounts don’t post in depth, don’t offer context and don’t
explain their reasoning.
Randomly turning on other posters and accusing them is unhelpful in the extreme.
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[–]PootieTom 1 point2 points3 points 18 hours ago (0 children)
The moderation log is open and accessible. To everyone who is
downvoting users who are skeptical of widespread sock-puppet abuse -
could you not go through the logs and find something, anything, that
shows us what you're talking about?
If bot farms are manufacturing a consensus or pushing a narrative,
chances are a handful have been discovered and had an action taken
against them.
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[–]OptimalCheesecake527 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (1 child)
It’s always the skeptical posts that are the conspiracy until whatever
dumbass belief they have gets debunked, then it was a conspiracy to
get them to believe it
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[–]LouisUchiha04 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago (0 children)
Who is "Them"?
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[–]FinancialBarnacle785 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 hours ago (0 children)
Forgive my gushing welcome, Juan, but you make a great deal of sense
to my amateur analyses. Thanks, and I hope you will comment more.
Those of us with an interest in 'History' know and accept propaganda's
existence, and we shamble thru life, just as our most ancient
ancestors did...just different, equally arrogant, stupid yet clever
dinosaurs, trying to 'herd' the prey into positions of easier harvest.
Wasn't something like this always hindering humans? Caveat...
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[–]PickWhateverUsername -1 points0 points1 point 9 hours ago (0 children)
Or you just don't understand how the shitty reedit algos work...
Does manipulation happen ? very probably. Is it in most cases a grand
conspiracy ? nope just short term googled bosses trying to squeeze out
a bit more $ from ads while hurting their long term engagement on said
platform, Facebook and X come to mind
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[–]NiceGuyzFinish1st 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago (0 children)
Over a thousand up votes rn so it seems like the bots are a tad overwhelmed.
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[–]toxictoy 15 points16 points17 points 18 hours ago* (0 children)
Want to know the really horrible thing -once you see it here you see
it everywhere because the whole point is divide and rule.
They use whatever means to split a community because a community can’t
move forward if it fights itself. Either can a nation. Think about
what happened to r/conspiracy and the Above Top Secret forums - they
turned those into a political minefield which is advantageous to
stopping anyone from questioning the narratives - they make those
looking in from the outside believe that “conspiracy theorists” are
crazy. This is exactly why the UFO Stigma exists - as Dolan just said
the stigma was “encouraged” by government but really - the CIA and the
Air Force created it.
Here’s just a few articles from a few years ago about the capabilities
of the US government to turn people into bots through manipulation on
social media. These are not from fringe publications either but
trusted journalistic publications.
Airforce ARS Technica - how to control people like drones via social media
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/air-force-research-how-to-use-social-media-to-control-people-like-drones/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks
Researchers at Stanford have created a village for AI bots to develop
human like behavior
https://www.businessinsider.com/ai-village-bots-plan-valentines-elections-gossip-stanford-researchers-created-2023-8
2400 ChatGPT bots banned from Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/14a6pfg/over_1500_chatgpt_bot_accounts_banned_during_the
Trolling as political activity
https://www.business-standard.com/article/beyond-business/i-am-a-troll-inside-the-secret-world-of-bjp-s-digital-army-116122801182_1.html
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[–]42gether 30 points31 points32 points 21 hours ago (12 children)
Now it's extremely obvious to myself and I think pretty much
anyone who's been here for a few months.
It's so depressing, during the "where plane go" season it was somewhat
funny because that was just an old video and people were having fun
analyzing it, but it's successfully getting applied to the peru
situation and the mexican congress hearing and you just can't have a
conversation without them popping up trying to derail the
conversation.
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[–]nlurp 12 points13 points14 points 21 hours ago* (4 children)
Could it be they’re true events?
The other day I have read the Peruvian situation happened in India as well
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[–]divine_god_majora 17 points18 points19 points 19 hours ago (1 child)
The fact that the vitriol and ridicule along with blind denial seems
to be a more prevalent when people talk about those topics gives them
so much more credibility
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[–]nlurp 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago (0 children)
One thing definitely does not imply the other, but it is definitely interesting:
Plane sucked into a portal - let’s all kumbaya around this lovely
thing of nature
Mexico and Peru stuff - preposterous!
I am with you there: there are orders of magnitude more evidence for
their reality than people believe (and this sub used to be for
believers with critical thinking). The standard is not double anymore:
it is newspeak!
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[–]42gether 1 point2 points3 points 10 hours ago (1 child)
Could it be they’re true events?
Where far from being close to finding out sadly, if there are people
looking into it they're being quiet, if there's people trying to
discuss about the possibility of it being either real or fake you get
totally normal users (/u/FloorDice nice job blocking me bitch) trying
to derail the conversation.
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[–]nlurp 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children)
We don’t need to fight anyone
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[–]kael13 3 points4 points5 points 6 hours ago (4 children)
Hmm, I'm pretty skeptical of most things here, but I still think
there's more to the MH370 stuff than we've fully understood. I've
never seen this sub attack itself more than when that happened. If
that doesn't scream bot farm to you, I don't know what would.
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[–]truefaith_1987 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (3 children)
MH370, we'll eventually have to circle back to that. Since it's likely
true; at the very least, the pilot needs to be officially vindicated
at some point, since basically nothing about the case actually
suggests he was the culprit. The plane suffered an electrical failure,
went on a roller coaster ride through the sky, and disappeared. If
anything, the pilot may have been in a battle for everyone's lives,
and tried to land at Penang International.
And there were other plane abductions over the years. There have
definitely been some military pilot abductions/deaths (Felix Moncla
for instance).
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[–]QueefyMcQueefFace -1 points0 points1 point 3 hours ago (2 children)
I do not believe this assessment is correct. The MH370 Official Report
indicates that MH370 turned off its transponder, turned West after
reaching Waypoint IGARI, weaved between civilian and military radars
over Malaysia, then turning South around Banda Aceh in Indonesia.
It then proceeded to coast South in the remote area of the South
Indian Ocean until Inmarsat satellite pings were lost and the plane
ran out of fuel. This took hours.
These actions are intentional and directly implicate the pilots.
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[–]truefaith_1987 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago* (1 child)
I've read that same report, and the ATSB/Australian report, and both
basically concur with what I said. From the report you linked:
The Royal Malaysia Police (RMP) seized the PIC’s home flight
simulator from the residence of the PIC on 15 March 2014. The RMP
Forensic Report dated 19 May 2014 documented more than 2,700
coordinates retrieved from separate file fragments and most of them
are default game coordinates.
It was also discovered that there were seven ‘manually programmed
’waypoint coordinates, that when connected together, will create a
flight path from KLIA to an area south of the Indian Ocean through the
Andaman Sea. These coordinates were stored in the Volume Shadow
Information (VSI) file dated 03 February 2014. The function of this
file was to save information when a computer is left idle for more
than 15 minutes. Hence, the RMP Forensic Report could not determine if
the waypoints came from one or more files.
The RMP Forensic Report on the simulator also did not find any
data that showed the aircraft was performing climb, attitude or
heading manoeuvres, nor did they find any data that showed a similar
route flown by MH370.
The RMP Forensic Report concluded that there were no unusual
activities other than game-related flight simulations.
There were no behavioural signs of social isolation, change in
habits or interest, self-neglect, drug or alcohol abuse of the PIC, FO
and the cabin crew.
The CCTV recordings at KLIA on 07 March 2014 were evaluated to
assess the behavioural pattern of the PIC, and the FO from the time of
arrival at KLIA until boarding time. Three previous CCTV recordings of
the movements of the PIC in KLIA were also viewed to see the
behavioural pattern and were compared with the CCTV recordings on 07
March 2014.
On studying the PIC’s behavioural pattern on the CCTV recordings
on the day of the flight and prior 3 flights there were no significant
behavioural changes observed. On all the CCTV recordings the
appearance was similar, i.e. well-groomed and attired. The gait,
posture, facial expressions and mannerism were his normal
characteristics.
The FO’s movement captured on CCTV at KLIA on 07 March 2014 was
observed. The FO’s behavioural pattern on CCTV recordings on the day
of the flight showed no significant behavioural changes.
I will link the information about the power failure from the ATSB
report as well.
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[–]QueefyMcQueefFace 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children)
That's for the flight simulator though, it isn't the actual flight
track that was picked up on radar and the Inmarsat comms.
Flight sim and CCTV behaviors don't reveal enough information to
explain the flight path on that day.
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[–]Revolutionary-Mud715 3 points4 points5 points 18 hours ago (1 child)
did it ramp up into high gear like weeks before the hearings? This sub
was digestible up until then, i feel like bogus shit just kept popping
up over and over again flooding the zone. Then I remember during the
hearing reading obvious lies on twitter about grusch flooding, It was
sort of impressive to watch.
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[–]42gether 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (0 children)
Or maybe it was always there but we're only noticing it now because of
the hearing, having "the government is funding disinformation" being a
testament under oath kinda changes things.
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[–]Wapiti_s15 3 points4 points5 points 17 hours ago (3 children)
I watched a documentary on this when twitter STARTED, by a CIA paid
operative in Venezuela who slid an election the way the US wanted. He
did the blacked out face and scrambled voice and said “if they are
doing it here OF COURSE they are doing it at home, in EVERY country”.
He was able, by himself, to swing an entire population into voting for
the outcome they desired. In 2007!
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[–]Wapiti_s15 3 points4 points5 points 17 hours ago (0 children)
I want you all to think about that when you think back to screaming at
the sky in 2016. Was this based on your own reasoning or were you
biased in some way? What happened during that four years that was so
horrible? Worse than the last 2.5 years, aka, are you better off now
or then.
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[–]LimpCroissant 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago (0 children)
Yup, I saw part of a very similar documentary a couple months ago. A
reporter found a Russian bot/troll farm and they met with them to
determine what needs to be done and the price. And yeah the Russian
guy showed all their services and showed the results on how they were
extremely effective at swaying democratic elections. They had a slide
show of all the politic leaders in different countries that they were
able to either get elected or get voted out. This stuff is very real.
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[–]FinancialBarnacle785 -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 hours ago (0 children)
Oh, yeah, so you say that you say...that he said...whoever HE
is/was... see, if I can't 'follow your trail to real people, places,
things, situations' then you have wasted your time...and mine. Rude.
And now, thank you for your kind attention. Details are very
important. Think 'Intell'.
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[–]Library_Visible 14 points15 points16 points 19 hours ago (8 children)
Come onto any of the stock trading subs on here, it’s insane. There
are levels to it. There are bot farms that shitpost and downvote and
make inane comments and then there’s full blown paid infiltration by
bad actors.
If a community is strong and constructive they can counteract the bs.
One of the trucks is to simply always stay positive minded. There’s no
counterpoint to that.
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[–]LimpCroissant 6 points7 points8 points 18 hours ago (6 children)
Yup, I 100% agree, if we stay positive and respectful to each other
then they really can't phase us. Their tactic is to seed distrust and
animosity, and they do it in an ugly fashion. I really think that we
need a new UFOs sub reddit. The same as this one, where it's a general
sub on the topic of UFOs and what's behind them, however no ridicule
allowed. Say whatever you want, counter points with your skepticism,
that's all good as long as you're respectful and don't ridicule.
Yeah I'll check out one of the stock trading subs some day, but really
I'm just trying to get away from places with that sort of thing going
on.
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[–]MKULTRA_Escapee 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago (3 children)
We do remove a ton of ridicule in this sub, but we could modify the
rule to be very specific about it. Basically anything that can be
considered uncivil or a personal attack will get removed if it’s
reported or a mod sees is.
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[–]LimpCroissant 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)
Yea I see quite a few comments that get removed, however those are the
really really nasty ones. I think itd be much more enjoyable here for
everyone, including the mods that have to look over everything, if we
included in the rules that something like:
"Any uncivil or disrespectful comments will not be tolerated , we
encourage people to report these messages and recommend not engaging
with them in any way while they are being removed."
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[–]MKULTRA_Escapee 1 point2 points3 points 29 minutes ago (1 child)
That actually sounds great. I'm going to copy/paste this as see if
everyone agrees to add that.
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[–]LimpCroissant 0 points1 point2 points 22 minutes ago (0 children)
Well shoot, right on, I appreciate that very much my friend :)
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No low effort posts or comments. Low Effort implies content which is
low effort to consume, not low effort to produce. This generally
includes:
Posts containing jokes, memes, and showerthoughts.
AI-generated content.
Posts of social media content without significant relevance.
Posts with incredible claims unsupported by evidence.
“Here’s my theory” posts without supporting evidence.
Short comments, and comments containing only emoji.
Summarily dismissive comments (e.g. “Swamp gas.”) without some
contextual observations.
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[–]Tiffany_Gomas 2 points3 points4 points 18 hours ago (0 children)
Politics is close to 1/2 bots too. Dead internet is real
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[–]terms100 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago (2 children)
Guess you haven’t t been involved with any Wallstreet, stock subs then.
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[–]LimpCroissant 2 points3 points4 points 19 hours ago (1 child)
No, I haven't. However I'd imagine that there'd be lots of bots on
there as well. And in fact, I've heard that there are. Anywhere where
people have lots to lose and resources to spend, there will be bots
and those working to sway public opinion.
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[–]Tiffany_Gomas 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago (0 children)
Political subs are heavily botted, probably the most botted.
Plenty of news orga have sock puppet accounts here too
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[–]Flunkedy 10 points11 points12 points 19 hours ago (2 children)
There are indeed bots and manipulators here. There is a mulititude of
reasons that anybody might employ them to cause dissent.
But there are also healthy sceptics who voice their scepticism, use of
logic to examine a uap/ufo footage accounts and photos.
And to see those people get downvoted and being called bots or agents
is disheartening. To be interested in UFOs you have to have an open
mind and like it or not that means being open to a multitude of
possibilities for example aliens are real-have visited us and maybe
even walk amongst us but also be open to the possibility that
governments have used science fantasy as a tool to obscure a real
concrete conspiracy (off topic but the acts of the American CIA are
insanely abhorrent and I wouldn't put anything past them).
For me we should be excited by the potential of UFOs , we should be
curious about UFOs but we should remain level headed, sceptical,
cynical and wary of everyone who claims to have any knowledge of the
actual reason behind the phenomena UNLESS they can back up their
claims with irrifutable evidence based science.
People lie and bend the truth all day every day just to make a quick
profit, so always remember to TRUST NO ONE.
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[–]LimpCroissant 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
That's true, you have to be careful about who you put your trust in.
And I welcome healthy skepticism. I'm quite skeptical of many things
myself and work hard to find what I believe is the truth.
I think the real problem is the attacking of people we see here from
both angles. It's just nasty. If you don't agree about something (not
you personally), that's totally fine as long as you're respectful. If
we are respectful of each other we can work off each other's ideas and
both get better. I think a lot of it is the bots work to counter that
by slinging crap at people. And personally, I think it's more humans
working with multiple accounts each just throwing ridicule more so
than bots. I used to check a lot of accounts out that displayed
ridicule and it most often seemed like it was a human, not an ai chat
thing.
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[–]ifiwasiwas 1 point2 points3 points 10 hours ago (0 children)
Yep. They wouldn't be afraid of the people who act like conspiracy
theorists - they're easy to discredit. They would be very afraid of
people who come across as reasonable, level-headed and well, normal.
If there's any psyop to speak of, they would almost certainly target
these people and try to drive them out, not the "true believers".
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[–]TheDelig 10 points11 points12 points 20 hours ago (10 children)
I'm at the point now that I think the NSA is running reddit, paying
the mods and spreading all kinds of bullshit. Everything that feels
grassroots here is a psyop.
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[–]crazysoup23 3 points4 points5 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
There's a powermod account maxwellhill that stopped posting shortly
before Ghislaine Maxwell was arrested and hasn't done anything since.
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[–]rogue_noodle 5 points6 points7 points 17 hours ago (4 children)
5% genuine people with something to contribute, 5% genuine people who
shitpost for the lulz, 10% active disinformation agents and 80% bots,
if I had to guess.
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[–]blacksun_redux 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (2 children)
I dunno. That seems high. So 8 out of 10 comments in this very post
are bots? Point them out for me? That the problem for me. People says
bots, but don’t specify who/what is a bot nor what unified agenda they
might have. It’s just “bots … beware”. So that in itself is a
suppression tactic. Sow mistrust and discord in the community. See the
danger there?
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[–]rogue_noodle 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago (0 children)
Maybe 6/10. We don’t have a good way of knowing, unfortunately.
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[–]TheDelig 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (0 children)
There absolutely are bots and troll farms. There are videos of people
with 10-20 phones in front of them in tents in SE Asia. If it can be
done in a parking garage in Beijing it can be done by the NSA.
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[–]CraigSignals 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
This feels correct.
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[–]FinancialBarnacle785 -2 points-1 points0 points 7 hours ago (2 children)
D-d-d-damn, where'$ my paycheck? I can 'make it up', too! USA! USA!
Where do you want me to start? Stories about TRUE ufo
encounters...we'll call it "TRUfo tales"...or maybe recent,
irrefutable Bigfoot and betrothed Figboot demonstrations of
existence...e-z peasy. When you want 'public relations' created and
made solid, call the professional p.r. flacks.Tracks while you wait.
Professionally-trained witnesses, truly believable....available upon
reque$t...
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[–]TheDelig 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (1 child)
This is just useful idiot type speech.
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[+]FinancialBarnacle785 -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago (0 children)
Duh! Yassuh, I's useful! Deedy I R! What unclean work$ would you
reque$t of this humble ser'v'nt?
b
1!
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[–]loveheretic 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (0 children)
I've sorta wondered because every comment I make is filtered. It feels
worse than Facebook.
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[–]TomHanksYo 2 points3 points4 points 15 hours ago (0 children)
Its ironic, because this sub is honestly one of the biggest things to
convince me something might be real in all of this. You have these 1
month old accounts coming in here day-in/day-out spreading nonsense or
picking arguments and sending everyone down rabbit holes. I'm not one
for conspiracies but it is hard to make sense of this in another way
other than bot/troll farms.
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[–]Antennangry 9 points10 points11 points 20 hours ago (6 children)
Dolan’s narrative is also extremely useful for grifters and agents of
accelerationism who want to cast aspersions on well-meaning skeptics
by coloring anyone who doesn’t buy the narrative they espouse as a
paid troll. Cuts both ways.
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[–]LimpCroissant 6 points7 points8 points 19 hours ago (3 children)
I think the trick is for all of us to just use our critical thinking
and intuition to tell whether someone's contributing their true
thoughts on the subject and trying to get clarity, or help give
clarity, or whether they're saying something to throw the conversation
off topic and ridicule. And yes, I agree, that goes both ways. However
I think we should all be working to further the cause of getting more
transparency on the phenomena from the government(s), and from
whatever means necessary. Sometimes it appears as if people want to
derail that (not you).
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[–]Antennangry 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (1 child)
Mostly in agreement here. Transparency is useful, especially when it
comes to a DoD with a historically large and creeping budget and
mandate. And using one’s critical thinking skills and intuition are
good. Intuition is known to generate a false positive here and there
though. I think the key is to stay humble, stick to what you can prove
beyond a reasonable doubt, and remember that, while absence of
evidence is not evidence of absence, it is to a degree suggestive of
it.
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[–]LimpCroissant 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
I agree with all that you said. Yea, stick to what you know and can
show. Speculation threads are fun sometimes also, as long as you let
it be known that you're just speculating and having fun and not saying
something as fact.
This topic is a very strange one and possibly unlike anything that
we've really chased as a (select, at least so far) society. "Absence
of evidence is not evidence of absence, it is to a degree suggestive
of it." I agree. However if what we've heard of this phenomenon, at
least the more credible seeming stuff, this phenomenon is strange.
Very strange. A lot of the very serious people have been saying for a
while now that there is a lot more woo involved than a simple nuts n
bolts extraterrestrials from another planet deal. Real physical
evidence may be very hard to come by for a civilian. I don't know man,
this phenomenon is just crazy and I'm not quite sure what to think. I
do believe there's definitely something to it though.
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[–]NiceGuyzFinish1st 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago (0 children)
However I think we should all be working to further the cause of
getting more transparency on the phenomena from the government(s)
Hear hear, well said, I couldn't agree more.
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[–]imtrappedintime 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago (0 children)
I’ve received this response to debates on here so many times and seen
it used to shut down critical thinking from others. Not sharing an
opinion doesn’t make you a bot or paid actor. So many people have seen
heinous examples from public figures, superiors in the professional
world, their own family… that have taught them you can construct
whatever narrative you want if you keep critical thinking from
challenging it.
I think when the govt runs operations like that it may amplify the
effect, but it’s a very human and personal reaction to being
challenged these days, if not always to some degree.
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[–]nubesmateria 5 points6 points7 points 18 hours ago* (6 children)
Yes and no
Sometimes ppl here just call others bots because they don't agree with them.
Lots of confirmation bias in this community
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[–]ninelives1 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago (4 children)
Lots of untaken meds in this community. Any disagreement is a grand
government conspiracy, as if anyone is concerned about a subreddit.
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[–]VirtualDoll 3 points4 points5 points 17 hours ago* (3 children)
What an inaccurate, rude, lazy, grossly over-simplified, and
generalized explanation
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[–]atomictyler 3 points4 points5 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
that's for sure. you can tell that person isn't a bot, because the
bots put in more effort than they did.
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[–]Beautiful-Amount2149 2 points3 points4 points 12 hours ago (0 children)
Calling everyone who disagrees with you g man shills and bots isn't?
People now react to sceptics with "how's the weather in Elgin??", that
is just lazy derailing as much as any other troll comment
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[–]Unlikely_Thought2205 -2 points-1 points0 points 9 hours ago (0 children)
You forgot "basically true"
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[–]headphones_J 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago (0 children)
I would think the best way to use bots is for confirmation bias.
Boosting the most obviously fake posts, worst takes, or the biggest
frauds in the UFO scene. This is how you make the community look bad
to anyone looking in.
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[–]noun_exchanger 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (1 child)
Not to make things more confusing, but I used to be such a hard-headed
skeptic that I'm sure I would have been thought to be a disinfo agent
when viewed through the current lens. I'm more chill now in general
with being open to new information/ideas/alternative perspectives. But
back then, I ruffled some conspiracy/UFO community feathers. TL;DR
people like me do actually exist and are not necessarily paid to be
overly dismissive douche bags.
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[–]PoppaJoe77 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago (0 children)
I think this ties into the idea that there are bots and there are
"human bots", or people who've been "trained" through forms of social
conditioning to reflexively respond to certain topics with pat answers
or specific emotional responses. Human bots can hopefully be reached.
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[–]Unlucky_Process7315 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago (1 child)
I GET INTERESTED whenever I see a post with 300 comments and 0 upvotes.
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[–]Unlikely_Thought2205 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (0 children)
That's a normal controversial post. Half the people just downvoted
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[–]Albino_Black_Sheep 1 point2 points3 points 10 hours ago (0 children)
There are just as many bots promoting outrageous theories and
thoroughly debunked nonsense.
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[–]Dragonfruit-Still 6 points7 points8 points 21 hours ago (7 children)
You have to also acknowledge that there are bits from foreign nations
seeking to sow discord as well. By acting as true believers of ufo and
getting people to believe irrational conclusions and mistrust the US
government. That it is evil deep state elites controlling everything.
There are incentives in that direction as well.
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[–]Bobbox1980 9 points10 points11 points 19 hours ago (6 children)
If the historical record is true, the US government should not be trusted.
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[–]Dragonfruit-Still 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (5 children)
The US government is not some unitary entity. Some parts can be
trusted, others not. Some have accountability, others don’t.
governments would rather you keep a simple black and white view of
things. Adversaries want you to think it’s all bad. Friendlies want
you to think it’s all good. The reality is a mixed bag. Don’t fall for
the oversimplification traps and propaganda.
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[–]Bobbox1980 4 points5 points6 points 18 hours ago (4 children)
Easy platitudes. Did or did not the CIA have loyal men in all major
newsrooms during Operation Mockingbird?
Even if there are good guys in the govt, and I am sure there are,
doesn't mean historically speaking that elements in the US did not
have the ability to exert their will on the world at large and were
largely unchecked.
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[–]Dragonfruit-Still -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago (3 children)
What does your question have to do with my statement? Either answer
doesn’t affect or disprove what I said.
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[–]Bobbox1980 0 points1 point2 points 38 minutes ago (2 children)
Operation Mockingbird is an example that the govt can't be trusted.
Were there some politicians against it? Sure, it is not black and
white. But those good guys in govt were not able to stop the operation
from happening.
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[–]Dragonfruit-Still 0 points1 point2 points 26 minutes ago (1 child)
Operation mockingbird existing does not mean that the entire US gov
cannot be trusted. The US gov is so much bigger and more complicated
than I think you are capable of understanding. You just see it as
“government bad”. A gross and ridiculous oversimplification. You are
an example of how easy it is for a foreign adversary to flip a patriot
against his own nation.
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[–]Bobbox1980 0 points1 point2 points 16 minutes ago (0 children)
I just acknowledged that people making up the govt are varied. But
here's another example, the NSA collecting all data passing through
the internet without a warrant. Are there members of congress and govt
employees against that? Sure, but the program is still active and
violating our 4th amendment rights.
Patriotism is stupid. I am loyal to humanity as a whole and any other
sentient life out there.
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[–]TPconnoisseur 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
IMO, the problem with the UFO topic from a public acceptance
perspective, is too much of it is true.
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[–]Hornet878 4 points5 points6 points 21 hours ago (14 children)
To me it just looks like a lazy way to dismiss criticism. There are
people here, like myself, who are interested in the subject but
skeptical of what has been brought forth so far. So let's say a video
comes out and I am critical of it. How do you engage with me? In fact,
if someone provides contrary evidence that disproves or at least
raises the improbability of a claim, who really cares if they are a
bot?
If a video or photograph is disproven then it's disproven. I don't
care if it's me or you or a guy at Edwards AFB. So maybe I am missing
the point, what utility does telling people that x account is a bot
serve?
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[–]LimpCroissant 14 points15 points16 points 21 hours ago (5 children)
Well, I dont call out bot accounts when I see them, I just make a
mental note of them. I also dont call people who raise good skeptical
points a disinformation account. I'm skeptical of many things myself.
Everyone is welcome to their opinion and we can learn from everyone as
long as they show respect and not just blatant ridicule. The problem
with bots in this community is they are not made to easily disseminate
accurate, helpful information like you might find in a flashlight sub
where someone asks "What's the best AA light I can get for $30", and
the bot jumps in and gives you a FAQ with all the best recieved lights
in each category. These are bots that are attacking people's
character, bringing up blog posts from someone nobody's heard of
saying they researched a historic sighting and discrediting, and other
general ridicule. However bots here also go the other way in support
of really far out theories, calling people disinformation agents, all
that stuff too. Thats the really crazy part. Bots argue both ways to
cause unrest. The mods of this sub reddit made a post about it. I
think it was a while before Grusch came out that they posted that.
On the sighting videos, I skip almost every single one honestly.
They're too hard to tell what something is, they're full of bickering
back and forth, and I never feel like I got anything out of them. Im
here for the posts with research and thought provoking questions, news
about the transparency movement within government, and notifications
of new whistleblower statements and interviews. That's my jam.
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[–]Juan_Carlo 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago (4 children)
You need to post specific examples of bots then. I see people claiming
there are thousands of bots here, but no one provides any examples
when asked for them. So to me the whole "everyone who is a skeptic
must be a bot" claim I see being made on here all the time just seems
like a disingenuous way to dismiss any criticism out of hand.
Plus, it's just plain wrong. Any pro-UFO post on this sub is almost
always going to get a ton of upvotes, while most skeptical posts will
either be downvoted into the negative numbers or have fewer upvotes.
Look at the comment you are replying to, for example. It's a
reasonable argument, yet it's currently in the negative in terms of
downvotes.
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[–]atomictyler 8 points9 points10 points 16 hours ago (2 children)
Here you go. That was 10 months ago and it's safe to say there's
likely to be even more of it considering the increase in popularity of
this sub.
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[–]FreeHumanity 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago (0 children)
And of course the guy sowing doubt about obvious bot activity on this
sub is nowhere to be found once the proof is posted. So typical of a
certain type of user here.
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[–]blacksun_redux 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago (0 children)
Considering the conclusion from that post was that bot accounts post
both pro believer and pro skeptic views in aggressive and antagonizing
ways, it would seem that if the bot thing is true their goal is to sow
discord and distrust in the community.
so here’s my 4d chess: this very post is playing into their goals.
People here saying “it’s all bots” and “trust no-one”. Seem like thats
playing right into their goals. Unfortunently.
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[–]LimpCroissant 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
I've thought about doing that. Making a list of suspicious accounts as
I come by them and then making a post. However to be honest I'm burnt
out on the UFO topic at the moment and have been the past few weeks. I
used to many, many hours researching and reading most of the stuff on
here, however I'm burnt out do to all the ridicule and nasty behavior
I see. And that goes both ways, from people who know (in their mind)
that UFOs exist, from those that think UFOs exist, from those who are
new, from those who are more skeptical, to those who are just here to
discredit people, the movement, and to throw ridicule. We all need to
do better.
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[–]usps_made_me_insane 4 points5 points6 points 20 hours ago (7 children)
I don't know why your comment is downvoted so much because it brings
up some important points. This subject is not only a fringe subject
but it concerns material that, if true, would completely change
humanity's outlook on life, the cosmos, etc. There literally is
nothing more profound except perhaps what happens after death, etc.
That said, I invite criticism and skeptics because we need rational
discussion of anything new that comes in here. The problem, though, is
not skepticism but accounts that just have blanket denials on
everything related to this topic. If you are here long enough, you
start to remember accounts that deny everything. Then you have
accounts that are really doing dodgy shit and trying to set the tone
and pace of new topics.
Honestly, I don't think Reddit is the best place to even have these
discussions. It is too well known and way to easy for the powers that
be to censor stuff or change comments outright. We know the CEO of
Reddit has done that in the past because he has come out and said so.
You don't want that type of power and personality mixed together.
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[–]Juan_Carlo 2 points3 points4 points 19 hours ago (6 children)
He's being downvoted because that's what always happens with skeptical
arguments here. All the claims about there being bot armies downvoting
credulous posts about UFOs are silly. Anyone who has posted here for
any duration knows that this sub is mostly true believers who will
upvote anything that claims UFOs are real, while down voting
skepticism.
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[–]Tiffany_Gomas 6 points7 points8 points 17 hours ago (4 children)
Eh I been here for a long time, much longer than this account and most
of the time it's some lazy ass denial like "looks like a weather
balloon" that is the most upvoted.
The issue I have with skeptics is that they typically are just
skeptical of everything and haven't done nearly enough research into
it besides window shopping. So they get skeptical because they just
don't have the knowledge that if they were really interested in the
topic, many feel that they wouldn't be so skeptical of everything and
ready to call everything a balloon or ball lightning.
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[+]Juan_Carlo comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points
17 hours ago* (3 children)
Eh I been here for a long time, much longer than this account
LOL, seriously? You've been here since August 2023. I've been here
since 2017. Why blatantly lie like this when it's so easily disproven?
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[–]Tiffany_Gomas 2 points3 points4 points 17 hours ago* (1 child)
You seriously think this is my first and only account? Read what you
quoted again, "much longer than this account".
I have been here since the digg days and have had multiple accounts. I
even used to mod.
I try to quit my reddit addiction but it always wins.
I was here when we all found out about poor Colby. I was here when
ViolentAcrez was doxxed and his subs shutdown. I remember the Obama
AMA that flooded this site with new users, that was way before your
time.
I was here long before you, before new reddit, before Automoderator
was just a php script.
I'm a old timer pal. Back in my day, we didn't have RES or fancy
mobile apps to use Reddit. You couldn't even post an image you had to
use imgur. There was no such thing as flair.
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[–]Juan_Carlo -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago (0 children)
OK, I'll just have to trust you on that then, bro.
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[–]atomictyler 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
I'm pretty sure they meant longer than the account they're posting on.
you got extremely defensive for no reason.
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[–]Ok-Dark9928 -4 points-3 points-2 points 18 hours ago (0 children)
There are 100x more comments complaining about bots than actual bots.
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[–]CommunicationAble621 1 point2 points3 points 20 hours ago (1 child)
Hey - I think "Messengers of Deception" by Vallee is what you're
looking for. Or "Operation Trojan Horse" by Keel.
You'll love those books, and they're authored by solid minds.
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[–]LimpCroissant 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
Hello there. Alright thanks for the recommendations. I like Vallee,
but don't know too much about Keel's work. I'll check them out,
thanks.
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[–]Tiffany_Gomas 1 point2 points3 points 18 hours ago (0 children)
Eglin, AFB and other military bases were literally the top user
"cities" of reddit and that was 10 years ago when they made their
analytic stats public. Then they scrubbed those from the list when
people noticed.
There are more AI bots all over Reddit and social media in general
than real people, and unless they are spam bots having fake
conversations pimping financial scams, you would never know.
There's slightly less bots now because they are charging for their API
now but those were just low effort spammers. Plenty of parties have
the money and are willing to pay to mass manipulate people. However,
paying for API using multiple accounts just makes it more
inconvenient.
Before reddit got rid of awards, the news organizations would post
their news on reddit then award comments made by their employees to
boost their narratives and steer the conversation. You would never
notice unless you dug into their profile comments and notice they only
comment on nyt articles across reddit. There's not an easy way to spot
a bot anymore, the replies can be very convincing and pass the turing
test.
It's not a conspiracy. You can run bots on a vps for cheap. It's easy
to do these days. Anyone can buy a bot script that outsources the AI
to chatgpt to read posts and generate replies. To get around paying
chat gpt for their API, you can run it through bing chat which is
basically gpt. A lot of bots are part of political think tanks or PACs
who have thousands of bot accounts on reddit that monitor various
political subs pushing the views they want while downvoting ones they
don't like. They make lots of money doing this. I think it's gross
physiological manipulation, they disagree of course. They take
advantage of widespread vpns so their bots aren't traced back to them.
I can't imagine how many the DoD runs all over the Internet. Grusch
actually talked about this suggesting the costs are getting crazy high
Social media platforms don't care about the bots, it's good for them.
Inflates their user stats and increases engagement. Marketing people
like bots, they help spread their message and you're none the wiser.
Remember these famous words: That motherfucker is not real.
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[–]theweedfairy420qt 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago (0 children)
It's our job to fight back and upvote harder lol
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[–]Alternative_Race7878 1 point2 points3 points 18 hours ago (1 child)
I think we need to backtrace the bots. I've found a few a few
disinformation accounts that deactivated after being called out .
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[–]LimpCroissant 1 point2 points3 points 18 hours ago (0 children)
Backtrace as in find their other accounts? Yea I've seen that happen a
decent bit as well.
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[–]6_Cat_Night 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
"I didn't realize that there were bots and people who work so hard to
discredit things that it seems they must be compensated, until I
stumbled into the UFO community"
Ha ha, I thought this sub was serious until reading this, especially
with this as the first response: "It was truly refreshing and
eye-opening at the same time to hear this take. Thank you so much for
sharing your experience."
Fucking hilarious! Really impressed at the straight faces you all
maintain. Excellent work!
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[–]niltermini -2 points-1 points0 points 19 hours ago (1 child)
The funny part is the opposite is true: russian and other foreign
intelligences promote the conspiracy with bots. They want you to
believe in fairy tales while distrusting science/the gov/ the
military..They also get average people believing this shit so they can
have them take pics of anything in the sky (aka classified vehicles)
while demanding to declassify state secrets. Theres a reason why it
was the favorite of the soviet propaganda during the cold war.
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[–]Internetofstupid -2 points-1 points0 points 15 hours ago (0 children)
This is literally the dunning-kruger effect in action. There's no mass
attempt to discredit things, hell the US Government openly admitted
they believe in UAPs. You just want so badly for anything you've seen
to be evidence, that you're willing to create a conspiracy theory to
explain why other people don't agree.
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[+]Big_Pomegranate_7712 comment score below threshold-9 points-8
points-7 points 20 hours ago (10 children)
I didn't realize that there were bots and people who work so hard
to discredit things
There aren't. At least as far as UAP goes. If you mean, like Russian
bots working to discredit Biden, sure. Those are legion, and there's
tons of evidence and obvious reasons why.
People just don't want to deal with the actual explanation that things
they want to be true aren't true and that most ten year olds could
reason that out.
Bots exist, but to do things where there's a motive. No one has a
motive to discredit obvious flawed logic or frauds. No one gains
anything from explaining to you that David Grusch is full of shit.
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[–]PoppaJoe77 8 points9 points10 points 20 hours ago (8 children)
Thank you for reliably being the worst take in every thread.
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[+]Big_Pomegranate_7712 comment score below threshold-10 points-9
points-8 points 20 hours ago (7 children)
Listen, this can be a safe space for you to role play this fantasy
world you want to live in, and that's fine.
What it can't ALSO be is somewhere where everyone else has to play
make believe along with you.
I'm sorry that there's no rational reason anyone would be trying to
discredit obviously false stuff.
I'm sorry you can't have everything you want be true and a pony, too,
and everyone else tell you how big and smart and tough and tall and
strong you are.
In the actual, objective reality we live in, however:
There is no giant conspiracy that everyone who disagrees with you is part of.
David Grusch didn't deliver a shred of actual evidence to anyone.
There is no 'disclosure' of NHI existing and the government knowing
about it coming. Not soon, not in 100 years.
Please return to your regularly scheduled covering of your ears and
yelling "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
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[–]PoppaJoe77 7 points8 points9 points 20 hours ago (2 children)
Seriously. So consistent.
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[+]Big_Pomegranate_7712 comment score below threshold-6 points-5
points-4 points 19 hours ago (1 child)
Yup, objective reality is definitely consistent.
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[–]PoppaJoe77 3 points4 points5 points 18 hours ago (0 children)
Consistently far stranger than we could have possibly imagined the
deeper we look into it, and consistently far beyond our ability to
fully grasp and comprehend. Which makes definitive, dogmatic
statements such as yours, frankly, silly. You don't know anything.
None of us do. Sit with that thought a little while, maybe, before you
come back. See if it doesn't bring up a little humility.
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[–]INcticUS 6 points7 points8 points 19 hours ago (1 child)
Lol it’s really amusing that you’re trying this hard to convince
yourself. It couldn’t be more obvious. Your extreme insistence and the
way you phrase your arguments sounds like you’re desperately trying to
calm yourself down because the possibility of these things being true
scares you for some reason.
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[–]PoppaJoe77 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
Exactly. Thi is not a skeptic stance at all. It's nothing but
emotional wailing against a dark, scary, confusing universe that just
might not be as neat and tidy and well-under stood as they believed.
Stir in a dollop of strawman arguments against beliefs I have not
espoused. Beliefs I may or may not hold; they have no way of knowing.
But I must believe all these things the imaginary UFOlogist they've
built in their head believes because I told them they have
consistently bad takes.
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[–]toxictoy -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago (1 child)
This isn’t some hyperbole. You have a very new account and I think you
are new to this subject so to you this sounds like crazy echo chamber
but to people who look at actual primary documents and have done FOIA
requests your response is seriously misinformed and that literally is
by design.
Here is the fact that coverup and the subsequent disinformation are a
factual reality.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/v9vedn/for_the_record_that_there_has_been_a_ufo_coverup/
The fact also is that the UFO Stigma was actually created by the CIA
and The Air Force with the help of the new Madison Avenue Advertising
agencies and psychologists - how do we know this? Again primary
sources
Also look here tons of information about bots on this very site and
research about the ways the military are manipulating ALL OF US all
over social media - ufology is just one part of it.
There are similar, already confirmed, real documents like this. You
don't need sketchy documents to make a great argument that social
media is compromised.
Behavioral Science Support for JTRIG'S Effects and Online HUMINT
Operations, leaked courtesy of Edward Snowden:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2108174-behavioural-science-support-for-jtrigs-effects
Leaked slides: The Art of Deception: Training for a New Generation of
Online Covert Operations:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190626033632/https://theintercept.com/document/2014/02/24/art-deception-training-new-generation-online-covert-operations/
The accompanying article for the above:
https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
Airforce ARS Technica - how to control people like drones via social media
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/air-force-research-how-to-use-social-media-to-control-people-like-drones/
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks
Other examples of similar information here:
https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16qds82/is_disinformation_antidemocratic_illegal_or_is_it/k1wpc2i/
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[–]Aeropro 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (0 children)
It kind of reminds me of how Snowden leaked that the government was
spying on us, a clear violation of the 4th amendment and the right to
privacy, and everyone just got mad at him for leaking it and didn’t
care about what the govt did and is probably still doing.
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[–]Aeropro 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (0 children)
You’re axiomatically assuming that there is nothing to the phenomenon
to begin with. It’s all a fraud so why bother discrediting? It’s very
transparently causing an inability for you to see any possible motive
one might have to continue the stigma surrounding this topic.
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[+]GigglesOverShits comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5
points 14 hours ago (4 children)
You are conspiracy theorists. You quite literally follow the same
logical fallacies a conspiracy theorist does and there’s hundreds of
posts and thousands of comments on this sub that objectively and
observably showcase this.
It’s one thing to speculate. To ponder and muse.
But y’all don’t do that. You make INCREDIBLY grandiose ASSERTIONS
about the nature of our world. There is no conclusive proof or
evidence available that can be corroborated by the scientific
community at proving aliens exist.
Yet y’all are on this very sub not just asserting that aliens exist,
but that they’re here. And that they’ve been here and are in cahoots
with the government. That there are secret abduction programs, and
alien human hybrids out in the population, and that we possess
technology thousands of years more sophisticated than ours, etc.
And y’all say all this shit as if it’s a COLD HARD FACT. Constantly,
all the time, most people here talk about some pretty crazy shit like
it’s just a common fact.
And it’s not.
And that’s why y’all get labeled conspiracy theorists.
You downplay conventional explanations for supernatural ones.
You dismiss official institutions of knowledge and science and instead
parrot uncorroborated bullshit.
You attribute everything to a conspiracy. It’s always the government
doing some shadowy nefarious thing.
You think because conspiracies have happened in the past, that’s
somehow evidence that this is a conspiracy.
You think a LACK OF EVIDENCE is somehow proof of the thing you don’t
have evidence for.
Yall literally just say whatever the fuck you want and you somehow
think that makes it a fact.
There is no respect for critical thought here, or evidence based
thinking. You’re emotionally invested and it’s created a confirmation
bias that none of you seem to be able to balance.
Look, I’m all for wanting to know the truth and keeping an open mind.
But what y’all do here is not about an honest search for truth.
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[–]LimpCroissant 3 points4 points5 points 14 hours ago (3 children)
I think you're speaking incredibly over broad. There's many of us here
that don't do any of that. We got here as skeptics and then read
stacks of unclassified US, French, Australian (etc) declassified
military and government documents saying in black and white that there
are technological crafts making incursions into sensitive airspace all
the time, throughout history, back to WW2 and before. People who first
get here think we just pulled this stuff out of our ass, no there's
years worth of material if you have the interest and motivation to go
on the research journey.
Of course you get the casual observer that comes in here as well and
likes to speculate. That's fine also, as long as you specify that
you're speculating and not quoting information from an official
source.
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[+]GigglesOverShits -3 points-2 points-1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)
There’s hundreds of comments a day showcasing this behavior. A good
majority of the sub.
I understand not 100% of people here are like this but a majority are
and it’s demonstrable. Just go read comments. On any post.
When you behave like this in a group, people are gona label you
loonies. And it’s NOT because you believe in aliens.
It’s because of how you go about it, the lack of logic you use, and
the complete disrespect for the scientific process and what
constitutes actual evidence.
It’s one thing to speculate. It’s a whole other to make wild
assertions positioned as facts about something as magnanimous as alien
life being in this planet communicating with our government when
there’s not a single shred of ACTUAL evidence for it. That’s absurd.
It’s not absurd to say, I think intelligent life is out there somewhere.
But to say, I do believe in intelligent life and I do believe it’s
here and now let me rattle off some insanely specific magnanimous
details that I’m gona label as true even though there’s diddly squat
to prove it.
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[–]Aeropro 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (1 child)
That’s not really a response to what u/LimpCroissant said. He stated
that he came here as a skeptic, saw some evidence and changed his
mind.
You don’t find the evidence to be sufficient. We get it. Your rant is
not necessary.
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[+]GigglesOverShits -1 points0 points1 point 3 hours ago (0 children)
No it is.
Y’all assert everything as fact when it’s not.
You think anything that comes outs of your mouth is true.
You’re logical process is literally the same as anti-vaxers or 9/11 truthers.
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[–]r00fMod 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)
How do you tell which ones are the bots? Just check their profile and history?
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[–]LimpCroissant 2 points3 points4 points 15 hours ago (0 children)
Here's a little guide that I have saved that I can post off hand.
Honestly though I see more accounts that are definitely typed by hand.
Just go to their account and see what they're all about. Tell-tale
signs are usually they've only made 1 to a handful of total posts in
some weird sub reddit (we all have our wierd sub reddits), they
usually have under 1000 total comment karma, and then every single
post in r/ufos and r/aliens, r/ufob, r/ anything related to UFOs is
just pure nasty, negative trash talk. It happens often. There's even a
few accounts that have been going for years just trash talking UFOs.
Bots. How to identify them, and why do they exist on Reddit?
https://www.reddit.com/user/tyrannosnorlax/comments/t0h466/bots_how_to_identify_them_and_why_do_they_exist/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
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[–]PoppaJoe77 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
Caught a good rule of thumb further down the thread. I'd link it if I
wasn't lazy and knew how. Sum it up: if the poster is asking you to:
A) accept claims without evidence
Or
B) ignore evidence
Assume they're a bot and ignore them. With any misinformation
techniques that may be more advanced?
No clue.
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[–]GiantSequoiaTree 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago (0 children)
The GameStop community as well has the same bot problems. Wallstreet
does not like us talking about and exposing their crimes.
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[–]Slavesandbulldozers7 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago (0 children)
Same here. I agree. I like your screen name btw lol.
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[–]LuceArsoul 0 points1 point2 points 12 hours ago (0 children)
Muddying the waters
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[–]Unlikely_Thought2205 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (0 children)
I know Russian political bots well, but where are bots here?
I haven't seen any until yet. I noticed lots of people are just called
bots, who clearly aren't.
Would someone show me their activities in any way?
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[–]Whyevenlive88 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (0 children)
ITT: people that fall victim to confirmation bias. No one needs to
spend any money discrediting anything here. A 10 year old with a
science education could do so.
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[–]pitmaster987 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (0 children)
There was a post on here within the last cpl months showing the most
active geographic area was the same small town where the Public
Relations office for the Air Force is. Or something along those lines.
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[–]PickWhateverUsername 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (0 children)
Sad thing tho is with Dolan's take, they don't even need to use bots.
Everyone is just going to by default consider that people who don't
agree with them or downvote them are bots because that's how
conspiracies work : "I or someone else I agree with have the truth and
people not agreeing are all part of the conspiracy to keep the truth
from coming out"
And so the community eats itself out because rather then healthy
debates based on "proof" (that let's admit is very thin over here)
sides are taken and reinforced until a group splits out. Rinse and
repeat.
Dolan is the ultimate bot then I guess.
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[–]livid4 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children)
Fr, I discredit any comment on a ufo vid that immediately says “looks
fake”. Another trend I noticed is any time Jeffrey Corbell or similar
will suggest that X is happening soon, all the bots will come and
comment “release the footage or shut up” or “stopped listening bc they
never do anything” etc. I feel like the latter is intentionally
discouraging in the current disclosure movement, like we might feel
that way but I don’t believe that the ufo community would rather have
these key people be silent over keeping an open line of communication
it’s ridiculous. Trying to exclude them from ufo discussions is crazy
and seems like a fake op to me
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[–]shadowofashadow 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children)
Reminder that at one point Eglin airforce base had the highest traffic
on reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit_has_removed_their_blog_post_identifying/
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[–]postngofmyownvoliton 209 points210 points211 points 23 hours ago
(20 children)
Yeah, remember this before you jump on the next bandwagon around here
guys, for or against any video or breaking news.
Reddit is ground zero for this crap, don’t even need a valid email
address to register and post on reddit.
This place is full of mud people muddying the waters.
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[–]Eurotrashie 89 points90 points91 points 22 hours ago (8 children)
BIngo - a few years ago Reddit itself cited that the city that most
uses Reddit was Eglin Air Force base…. Hmmmmm.
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[–]EasyPissedoffFeeling 22 points23 points24 points 22 hours ago (7 children)
Is that true?
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[–]t3kner 45 points46 points47 points 22 hours ago (2 children)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit\_has\_removed\_their\_blog\_post\_identifying/
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[+]EasyPissedoffFeeling comment score below threshold-22 points-21
points-20 points 21 hours ago (1 child)
Thats some interesting evidence, sort of.
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[–]hshnslsh 7 points8 points9 points 18 hours ago (0 children)
Pretty compelling imo.
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[+]EasyPissedoffFeeling comment score below threshold-11 points-10
points-9 points 21 hours ago (0 children)
I dont get it....oh wait I get it.
You're a nice boy.
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[–]Eurotrashie 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
I hate to break it to you…
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[–]eeeezypeezy 0 points1 point2 points 5 hours ago (0 children)
https://web.archive.org/web/20160410083943/http://www.redditblog.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html?m=1
web archive link of the quickly-deleted original reddit blog post
where they call Eglin AFB "the most reddit-addicted city" lol
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[–]TankieTanuki 18 points19 points20 points 22 hours ago (5 children)
It's pretty bad here.
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[–]postngofmyownvoliton 11 points12 points13 points 21 hours ago (2 children)
That’s a good one, reminds me of the compilation videos of the 50
newscasters in 50 states having the same opinions, jokes, and
reactions to the news they’re “reporting”.
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[–]YuSmelFani 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (1 child)
So….basically the news reporters are actors?
Would love to see that compilation video.
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[–]postngofmyownvoliton 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (0 children)
Yes, they all get their scripts from the same source, cause all news
companies are owned by the same couple people.
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[–]Interesting-Ad-9330 4 points5 points6 points 21 hours ago (1 child)
Where did you source this from? It's very interesting. We should be
looking for concrete evidence of this kind of manipulation in this and
related subs too. And I mean concrete, not just every fifth comment
saying "BOtS" and "eglin staff are back lol"
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[–]TankieTanuki 6 points7 points8 points 21 hours ago* (0 children)
I didn't create the image myself. I would have to search the API or
something to find the posts.
Edit: Here are the links:
https://archive.ph/jIosL
https://archive.ph/0cyjW
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[–]HugeAppeal2664 13 points14 points15 points 18 hours ago (3 children)
It’s obvious as fuck there is some dodgy accounts in here
I made a post last week about it, there are accounts that are
dedicated to instantly being negative about something no matter what
and they all have low karma, years old accounts and they specifically
only come here to comment.
There obviously a lot of trolls as well with their alt accounts but
definitely some suspect activity outside of that
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[–]atomictyler 9 points10 points11 points 16 hours ago (1 child)
Any post about Avi Loeb gets hit really hard by all the negative
comments. Without fail. It's incredibly obvious there's a lot of
effort going towards discrediting him or at least trying to make him
look crazy.
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[–]LouisUchiha04 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago (0 children)
Kyle Hill (a good science youtube content creator and educator) just
released a video sh*tting on UFO communities and Avi Loeb...lol. He
obviously did not research the topic...
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[–]rockyjack793 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
I mean it is ground zero for misinformation but your post in itself
could be considered it as well. Reddit is ground 0 for all of it. We
are simultaneously the most informed and the most influenced. But this
is also ground zero for complex discussion and advancement of public
understanding
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[–]MsGreenT 21 points22 points23 points 22 hours ago (1 child)
Pretty much whatever I'm doing on social media I'm assuming there are
bots. In fact, I know there are bots. I'm a part of a small community
who are constantly maligned for political / culture war issues to
distract from mainstream political failings of our elected leaders.
Sadly, it works and it causes immense harm.
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[–]EfficientNeck9029 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children)
For all I know you’re a bot lol, it’s wild out here.
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[–]blue_estron 75 points76 points77 points 22 hours ago (5 children)
Not only do they trash talk - they also entertain the stuff that's
obviously bullshit, and use it to create divides as well as make the
community seem mental, so new people and those disillusioned by it end
up leaving.
There are certain favourable phrases I think they use too, "nothing
burger", "trust me bro", stuff that is so trite, but that quickly
knocks something and packages it with the rest.
I also suspect they derail conversations with chains of silly
commentary, unoriginal attempts at being funny. Always making a pun
out of things.
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[–]sprague_drawer 24 points25 points26 points 19 hours ago (1 child)
I also suspect they derail conversations with chains of silly
commentary, unoriginal attempts at being funny. Always making a pun
out of things.
To be fair, this is 50% of all Reddit comment sections. From UFOs, to
sports, to politics.
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[–]PoppaJoe77 -1 points0 points1 point 12 hours ago (0 children)
To be fair, this doesn't refute their point, it amplifies it.
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[–]AcheInMyLeftEar 9 points10 points11 points 21 hours ago (0 children)
I think he should have emphasized that they play both sides more than
he did, at least in this clip.
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[–]kanrad -2 points-1 points0 points 7 hours ago (0 children)
I think you and others need to understand what platform you have
chosen to find your truth on.
This is reddit, it's not a serious place and is full of kiddos that
like to push buttons for fun. This is not the place to find disclosure
or discuss anything that matters.
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[–]Nova_Tango 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
That last part sounds pretty human.
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[–]keep-it 62 points63 points64 points 23 hours ago (2 children)
Richard is the man
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[–]MKULTRA_Escapee 28 points29 points30 points 22 hours ago (1 child)
Agreed. He said it way better than I could. Some citations to back up
what Dolan was stating for the lazy:
https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/172jm2j/dissimulation_hide_the_real_masking_repackaging/
Additional information:
https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16qds82/is_disinformation_antidemocratic_illegal_or_is_it/k1wpc2i/
The moderators of this forum proved that at least one network of fake
accounts existed in this forum, operating for at least months, and
lets be honest, probably years:
https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10r0vq4/community_update_on_incivility_and_fake_accounts/
Perhaps this particular network wasn't GCHQ specifically. There's no
way to prove who specifically is responsible, so you could argue that,
but the concept is the same. It could easily be Russians. They were
just sloppy enough to leave a little bit of conclusive evidence
behind, so maybe it was somebody else this time.
Either way you slice it, somebody is making fake accounts in this
subreddit specifically to disrupt the discourse, which means you can't
draw any conclusions about the community based on your feelings of how
the discourse is going. Perhaps someone is naive and doesn't realize
that shenanigans are occurring by somebody, whoever that may be, and
they never spent the time to read about the internet astroturfing
subject, so they believe it's unlikely. It's less important who it is
and you can't prove who it is anyway. Governments waste money all the
time, so even if you believe it would be a waste of money to
manipulate this forum, astroturfers have been manipulating forums
since the Bush/Gore election of 2000. They do it anyway, waste of
money or not.
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[–]F-the-mods69420 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago (0 children)
When the American public fully realizes the extent they're being
fucked with, they ain't gonna be happy. To this day most people walk
around oblivious to what Snowden revealed.
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[–]Prior_Woodpecker635 27 points28 points29 points 21 hours ago (0 children)
Newer to Reddit and immediately thought so many bad faith comments
weren’t real. Even in the war subs..
It’s uncanny to real sentiments... nihilistic
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[–]Lone-sta-r 60 points61 points62 points 22 hours ago (20 children)
The majority of reddit post are bots. Either farming karma or trying
to push the youth in one direction over the other. There's videos
where companies are for hire to specifically do this. Fake accounts
that look real and guide the conversation in one direction with fake
upvotes etc.
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[–]LakeMichUFODroneGuy 3 points4 points5 points 21 hours ago (19 children)
It is impossible to tell these days who is real here.
This entire sub is bots, no humans allowed:
https://old.reddit.com/r/SubSimulatorGPT2/
Pretty freaky.
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[+]quetzalcosiris comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5
points 20 hours ago (17 children)
Nah...it's really not that hard to tell.
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[–]LakeMichUFODroneGuy 21 points22 points23 points 20 hours ago (15 children)
That's because you know it's not real. People don't notice these types
of comments when they are inserted into real conversations.
Your comment for example, "Nah...it's really not that hard to tell."
is about the most generic comment with the least amount of effort that
could be made into writing it. You literally sound like a bot from
that sub.
In fact, most of your posts are just one liner generic responses that
require no thought whatsoever.
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[+]quetzalcosiris comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6
points 20 hours ago (14 children)
Lol, I gladly invite everybody to check out my profile and come to
their own conclusion about that.
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[–]FancySloth 13 points14 points15 points 19 hours ago (11 children)
I've checked. I think you're a bot.
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[–]HonestCletus 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
50 day account and over 10000 post karma. That’s a little fishy
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[–]TheCultureCitizen -2 points-1 points0 points 9 hours ago (3 children)
If you're at the point where you think everybody you disagree with
online is a bot you should probably log off for a while for your own
mental health.
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[–]FancySloth 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (2 children)
If you think I was being serious, maybe you need to follow your own
advice before lending it to others. People like him who blindly
believe any con-man or hoaxer in the UFO sphere will often call
anybody who disagrees with them "bots". I was doing the same thing to
him, because it's ridiculous. I was taking the piss.
Point is: it's so easy to turn it round on them. When they accuse you
of being a bot, double down and accuse them.
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[–]TheCultureCitizen 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (1 child)
Ah ok, it's hard to tell tbh, I've seen many people unironically say
such things.
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[–]FancySloth -1 points0 points1 point 9 hours ago (0 children)
That's exactly why I say it ironically, to the people who say it unironically.
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[–]quetzalcosiris -5 points-4 points-3 points 19 hours ago (5 children)
Thanks, the people reading will consider that an endorsement.
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[–]SabineRitter 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
True facts 💯
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[–]FancySloth 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
What's Eglin base like, agent smith?
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[–]psychedelianaut 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (2 children)
Considering you spam post almost nothing but tripe, the only thing I
could endorse is that you find the will if you even have it to portray
some sense of a personality.
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[–]Aeropro -2 points-1 points0 points 7 hours ago (1 child)
We need to think of a phrase or question that any human would know how
to appropriately respond to but would reveal an AI by their response
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[–]psychedelianaut -2 points-1 points0 points 6 hours ago (0 children)
We could try talking to them in morse code.
-.-- --- ..- .----. .-. . / .- / -.. . ... .--. .. -.-. .- -... .-.. .
/ .-. --- -... --- - / - .... .- - / --- -. .-.. -.-- / ... .--. . .--
... / -. --- -. ... . -. ... . / -.. . ... .. --. -. . -.. / - --- /
-.. .. ... - .-. .- -.-. -
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[–]Gina_the_Alien 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (1 child)
Posting the exact same thing to six different subreddits multiple
times? That’s one of the biggest tells of a bot imho
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[–]currently__working 3 points4 points5 points 18 hours ago (0 children)
Those are GPT2. Were at GPT4 now (at least)
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[–]aliensinbermuda[S] 30 points31 points32 points 23 hours ago (2 children)
Richard Dolan is a UFO (UAP) researcher and historian. He went on the
Theories of Everything podcast and talked about intelligence agencies
interfering in the UFO community.
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[–]Dream-Ambassador 11 points12 points13 points 21 hours ago (1 child)
is this the one from 2 years ago or is it something more recent?
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[+]Waspinator4ever 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago (0 children)
Seems like it's the one from 2021 and there hasn't been a more recent
one, it was just prescient for today's struggles with keeping the
community oriented at the correct targets
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[–]JPXRAY 31 points32 points33 points 22 hours ago (6 children)
Shortly after the Grusch hearings, I created a post on a UFO subreddit
sharing my opinion that what was happening was Government-led
disclosure. The post started to get hundreds of comments and
engagement.
Shortly after I received a notification that the post was removed by
the moderator. I messaged to ask why and they said “your post was
bot-swarmed”.
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[–]MKULTRA_Escapee 13 points14 points15 points 20 hours ago (1 child)
If you post a portion of a direct quote, I think I can search it in
modmail. Do you still have it on hand? I searched your username on
modmail and got nothing, so maybe it's not working right or something?
You should be able to link me directly to the modmail. Modmails can't
be deleted as far as I know, so we should easily be able to find it.
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[–]JPXRAY 3 points4 points5 points 17 hours ago (0 children)
https://reddit.com/r/UFOB/s/D8sajgAtHF
My mistake, it was UFOB and the comments were locked because of an
“LLM bot swarm” according to the moderator
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[–]Llamawehaveadrama 5 points6 points7 points 21 hours ago (3 children)
Interesting.
So you said something in that post that got their attention. Hm. Maybe
we should start archiving which topics get bot-swarmed and look for
patterns. I wonder if mods can access past, since-deleted posts from
this sub
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[–]andreasmiles23 6 points7 points8 points 17 hours ago (1 child)
It could be done if you could get access to the API
Which used to be free to access, I know colleagues who used it to do
qualitative analyses all the time to do exactly those kinds of
analyses (not related to bots but related to the kinds of content in
comments during different points in time)
But Reddit decided to put a crazy price on access to their API which
is why all the third-party apps got killed. But that wasn't the only
consequence, a lot of social scientists were using this data and this
makes it nearly impossible without a big grant or institutional
funding.
Do with that information what you will.
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[–]Llamawehaveadrama 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
Ohh okay. Damn. That sucks. I knew that whole thing was bad for lots
of reasons and this is just one more reason to add to the list.
Convenient for them this change happened when it did ig but it
probably had nothing to do with this and is just a coincidence. Greedy
corporations always ruin everything. Just wish they’d waited another
year before they had the idea lol
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[–]JPXRAY 1 point2 points3 points 17 hours ago (0 children)
https://reddit.com/r/UFOB/s/D8sajgAtHF
My mistake. The comments were locked, but the moderator did say it was
an LLM bot swarm.
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[–]tinosaladbar 4 points5 points6 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
Can we or the mods fight back on these bots? Is there anything we can do?
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[–]shattypantsMcGee 4 points5 points6 points 18 hours ago (0 children)
The answer is our species is controlled. Give a select few and
advantage and they’ll control us for them.
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[–]drollere 5 points6 points7 points 17 hours ago* (0 children)
it's unclear from dolan's meandering response whether the topic is
bots or divisive communities or US government disinformation or psyops
in the napoleonic wars, or what, exactly; but as a reader familiar
with the UFO community trope that "bots are controlling our
community!" and "disinformation agents are attacking our community!",
it seems to me pretty plain when there is a bot response or not.
there are two kinds of bot responses, the bot responses from bots and
the bot responses from humans.
the bot responses from humans are just stereotypical points of view
without substantive relevance to the evidence, or one liner jokes or
retorts or tailriders, "low energy" posts that are supposed to be
prohibited but flourish here anyway. i skim them like the output from
a random joke generator and enjoy the very few of them that are witty.
the bot responses from bots repeat discredited arguments or points of
view, ad hominems and dark conspiracy talk, including dark talk about
bot talk, and they do it in a generic way, again without reference to
any actual evidence, or citing manufactured evidence.
i've always said that if you just focus on evidence, or explore where
the evidence ends and the storytelling begins, then it doesn't matter,
really, if you are talking to a bot or not, because you are having a
reasonable, evidence based conversation that any third person would
find interesting.
anything else you do, whether it is with a person or a bot is only
going to be a distraction from you saying anything that might interest
anybody else.
your stance towards bots just needs to rest on two ideas: they entice
you to accept claims without evidence, and they turn you away from a
reasonable focus on the evidence. guard against either accepting empty
claims or turning away from evidence, and you'll be fine.
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[–]pepper-blu 20 points21 points22 points 22 hours ago (10 children)
I wish I could get paid to be a troll, sounds like the easiest job in the world
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[–]BearlyGrowingWizard 5 points6 points7 points 21 hours ago (0 children)
I wonder if we will get a 2035 Oscar’s movie named, “Trolls” starring
an aging Justin Timberlake about the tolls on trolls in the
government. Close calls of meeting in real life, etc. crazy this all
could be true. 😅😂
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[–]EasyPissedoffFeeling 1 point2 points3 points 22 hours ago (0 children)
found the paid troll
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[–]synthwavve 0 points1 point2 points 21 hours ago (0 children)
I just farmed them in LOTRO. Are you sure?
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[–]ShirelySue 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
I know! It also sounds like it would kind of be fun, too. Perhaps my
idea of fun is a tad twisted...
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[+]sumofdeltah comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4
points 21 hours ago (0 children)
Just make a video accusing others of being trolls and bots while
making giant claims that you never have to back up.
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[–]BA_lampman 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago (4 children)
Would you do it? I wouldn't, for a million dollars.
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[–]pepper-blu 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago (3 children)
I would in a heartbeat. Money brings happiness. Easy money is even better.
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[–]BA_lampman 0 points1 point2 points 55 minutes ago (2 children)
How sad.
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[–]pepper-blu 0 points1 point2 points 48 minutes ago (1 child)
can't live off ideals, money is unfortunately a necessity
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[–]BA_lampman [score hidden] 5 minutes ago (0 children)
Yeah, I get it. Sucks to hear though, as a truth seeker.
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[–]halflife5 6 points7 points8 points 18 hours ago (1 child)
It always amazes me how people denied the disinfo campaign. Pay any
attention to how the United States intelligence community disrupts
socialist movements across the world and it makes it abundantly clear
what's going on.
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[–]retoy1 2 points3 points4 points 20 hours ago (0 children)
A good example of the the bot networks that he’s referring to is AIMS.
It’s no small operation, and if you think AIMS is bad, I can only
imagine what the IC has in their arsenal. Paired with a trained GPT AI
that’s instructed to read and respond a certain way to discredit
people or topics, it gets scary real quick.
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[–]conkreteJs 8 points9 points10 points 20 hours ago (1 child)
If you weren't aware that there are bots and paid actors, with
extremely high karma, in all of the biggest and influential subs, you
haven't been paying attention.
All of the accepted narratives are always in line with the
DoD/Globalist agenda. If you disagree even slightly, you get downvoted
to hell.
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[–]smellybarbiefeet 1 point2 points3 points 20 hours ago (0 children)
High karma young accounts
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[–]GalacticCowHeist 9 points10 points11 points 22 hours ago* (0 children)
That COINTELPRO guide could be pinned here permenantly. Forum sliding,
Astroturfing, Red herrings, Gaslighting (Subtle and not so subtle),
and Ad Hom attacks are unusually high here.
Alot of people will always assume any and all people 'arguing' with
them is simply not understanding what they're saying or is just
trolling or being dense just to be an ass.
Alot of people don't expect a single person or AI to have 2 or more
accounts arguing with eachother while manipulating votes to fabricate
consensus.
_
You don't even have to go into 'woo' to accept this, we already know
companies do this to push products, services, articles, opinions.
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[–]scammingladdy 10 points11 points12 points 20 hours ago (8 children)
After being in this community for many months now this has been very
obvious to me. Every video posted here, especially the ones that are
very convincing, always have the random debunkers commenting the same
excuses over and over: it’s a plastic bag, it’s a flare, its a
balloon, a kite, or if its undeniably odd guess what it must be CGI.
Now don’t get me wrong sometimes these explanations are true and most
videos are bs. But it’s becoming predictable which excuse the
bots/trolls are gona use.
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[–]Public-Pilot-6490 -1 points0 points1 point 11 hours ago (6 children)
So... when people debunk shitty videos they are bots right? Okay... I
personally left this topic, I'm not interested anymore, all this UFO
bait topic is about retired old guys who have been making promises for
over 80 years, fake jouirnalists who trashtalks everyday, give 0
evidence of any shit and even make crazy claims. But hey, I'm a bot
because I don't believe them hahahaha.
Anyways, you all have fun with your paranoia here, I'll be back in a
few months to laugh a bit more and ask again for evidence just to be
called yet again a bot ayyy lmao.
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[–]Public-Pilot-6490 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (1 child)
Stop reporting people to suicide prevention bots, you need psychiatric help.
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[–]Unlikely_Thought2205 -1 points0 points1 point 9 hours ago (0 children)
I don't see it. Their post is completely normal. Even unexpectedly
normal for reddit
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No trolling or being disruptive.
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[–]Unlikely_Thought2205 -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 hours ago (0 children)
So if someone posts an obvious CGI, people who call it out are bots?
It's impossible to achieve any discussion with this mindset.
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[–]cogitoergopwn 4 points5 points6 points 20 hours ago (0 children)
only the smartest people with good bullshit detectors will prevail.
the rest are rubes or didn’t pass the internet test. gotta take it all
in and sift through the bullshit, and social media has a metric
fuckton of bullshit
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[–]JewpiterUrAnus 3 points4 points5 points 17 hours ago (0 children)
Ever since Grusch’s story there’s at least 7000 accounts in this
community at any one time. It used to be a LOT less.
I hear people saying forget the MH370 stuff it’s all disinfo. Then I
hear people say the same about David Greer or Ross Coulhart.
Bottom line is - we should as a community do the following:
Scrutinise everything but also keep an open mind.
Be willing to have discussions without it turning sour.
Pay attention to the accounts that just want to wage war or call people out.
This is a new(ish) account for myself (I needed a new account set up
for this part of my hobbies/interests.) People might look at me and
think ‘bot’ or that I’m some sort of agent. And good. Do. Question
everything. BUT still look into whatever it is they say. Because that
way, we always account for the truths.
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[–]SuperbWater330 5 points6 points7 points 22 hours ago (0 children)
Curt plays dumb way too much. There are bots? 🙄
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[–]veigar42 3 points4 points5 points 22 hours ago (1 child)
So basically call your reps and voice your concerns.
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[–]UAoverAU 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
“Excuse me Mr/Ms Representative, I’m aware there’s a conflict in
Israel, but let me tell you about these bots on Reddit.”
“Click.”
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[–]rite_of_truth 3 points4 points5 points 22 hours ago (0 children)
It's happening right now with the "OMG all NHI are evil!" posts. such
a load of shit.
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[–]MellowDramaticWhale 6 points7 points8 points 22 hours ago (6 children)
The problem with this sub is that anytime someone questions anything
or shows any skepticism, asks for evidence ect ect ect. You instantly
get referred to as a bot or disinformation agent.
It’s ridiculous.
Videos like this will just bolster peoples feelings that anyone who
disagrees with them must be a bot.
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[–]Hornet878 9 points10 points11 points 21 hours ago (1 child)
This is such a toxic way to validate a worldview and it basically
guarantees that anyone who uses it will not think critically.
-someone demonstrates a non-paranormal explanation =bot -someone
brings a video of an airplane that they think is a ufo =disinformation
bot -someone brings a more convincing video that is later disproven
=better disinformation bot
It is set up so there is literally no way you can interact with real
people who don't believe aliens both exist and are here. It insulates
the community against skepticism and is a huge part of why it isn't
taken seriously.
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[–]Gina_the_Alien 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
Probably the best thing the govt could do to throw a sub like this
into disarray is to convince a majority of the users that people who
post opinions or facts that run against their narrative & beliefs
(whatever they may be) are bots. It ends up like that meme where the
spider-men are all pointing at each other.
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[–]Due_Kaleidoscope7066 1 point2 points3 points 21 hours ago (0 children)
Isn't that just the other side of the coin? If social media can be
manipulated to have people coming in and claiming skepticism about
real posts, they could also come in and post something benign and have
a conversation revolve around how any skeptics are not part of the
community. Thus people who consider themselves skeptics feel they
should not engage either and are pushed away.
The purpose would be to push everyone away, not just one subset.
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[–]HugeAppeal2664 -1 points0 points1 point 18 hours ago (0 children)
There’s nothing wrong with showing scepticism but there are clearly
accounts that just go about shooting everything down no matter what
and it’s not even “constructive scepticism”
They will outright just say everything is fake, I’ve had multiple
people outright lie saying that the Nimitz incident “was debunked as a
plane” so they were pushing disinformation off as a fact and there
were getting loads of people upvoting them.
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[–]Rasalom 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago* (0 children)
Videos like this are made to prime believers and convince others about
an Other that is contradicting them finding a radical source of
salvation. The strongest UFO/Alien/NHI believers are seeking help from
outside sources. Convincing those people they are persecuted is a very
old religious technique that has been co-opted by grifters. It helps
the grifter sell a book to victims, these people who are having their
paranoia for something better teased constantly by all these threads.
What's most ironic is the "bots" are much more likely to be grifters
using techniques to antagonize and gaslight people so they'll run back
to the grifter for support and reinforcement of their beliefs.
"There there, I know you know the Truth and you know only I can give
you another hit of the Truth. Did a bot find your personal email and
send you a nasty message? Wow, that Government sure is dastardly.
Remember, only the Government could have had your email that you
previously only used to sign up for my newsletter!"
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[–]BA_lampman 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago (0 children)
The ones that call "bot!" May themselves be bots.
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[–]catman1352 10 points11 points12 points 22 hours ago (11 children)
The disinformation comes with posts designed to go down a false rabbit
hole. I.E. the Vegas, Peru, Plane disappearing. We just need to stick
it to the votes and our reps.
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[+]helloworllldd 1 point2 points3 points 14 hours ago (0 children)
The plane to me always seemed like we were steering at the wrong direction.
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[–]quetzalcosiris 2 points3 points4 points 20 hours ago (4 children)
To the contrary, the disinformation comes from posts designed to steer
people away from certain topics, which....always seem to be the exact
same ones.
But please, do keep making comments like this. Can you name us a few
other "false rabbit holes"?
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[–]Life-Designer-4936 2 points3 points4 points 20 hours ago (2 children)
Why can't it possibly be both? Steering people away from certain
subjects AND steering them towards others?
I feel like this whole "disinformation" thing is used as means of
dismissing someone that someone else disagrees with. Especially when
the person is expressing some form of skepticism.
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[–]quetzalcosiris -1 points0 points1 point 20 hours ago* (1 child)
"Feel" however you want. It has nothing to do with disagreement. Nor
opposition to skepticism. Everyone is a skeptic.
And everyone who is paying attention can see exactly what is going in
comment threads such as this. It is not difficult.
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[–]Life-Designer-4936 0 points1 point2 points 20 hours ago (0 children)
And you feel how you want. But the reality is that the term
"disinformation agent" has been used to dismiss people who express
skepticism towards certain things.
As you said, it's not too hard to see.
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[–]catman1352 -2 points-1 points0 points 18 hours ago (0 children)
Exhibit A
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[–]pineapplesgreen -1 points0 points1 point 13 hours ago (0 children)
Uhhh speak for yourself homeboy, for a lot of very real people the
plane disappearing was not a false rabbit hole.
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[–]HonestCletus 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
Whatever happened to the Vegas family, anyone ever track them down or
are they still hiding in their house. I found the family quite
convincing but who knows
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[–]Life-Designer-4936 -3 points-2 points-1 points 20 hours ago (0 children)
How about the dismissal and even removal of posts calling out
"disclosure leaders", especially politicians, for having questionable
backgrounds? Posts pointing out that Gaetz has associated with a child
sex trafficker, and that Gaetz, Luna, and Burchett were active in
attempting to override the results of the 2020 US presidential
election have been dismissed as "being too political" and off-topic.
Yet these things are absolutely relevant to the credibility and
effectiveness of these "disclosure leaders".
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[–]EasyPissedoffFeeling -2 points-1 points0 points 22 hours ago (0 children)
Thats right. Most people in here would be able to spot a bad 70s style
snowjob, like the two you mentioned a mile away. It s interesting then
to see how stupid or gullible they think the populous is. It all looks
like National Enquirer sensationalism. Hilarious really.
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[–]TehDDerp -3 points-2 points-1 points 22 hours ago (0 children)
EXACTLY WHAT WAS OBVIOUS TO ME Like, go into my post history and see
the people I've called out! They design these things to have a ton of
little microdetails and if enough of them say something checks all of
the specific minutia that a supposed piece of evidence should check
enough people will be lazy that that is just taken as a truth!
Refuting bullshit takes SO MUCH MORE EFFORT
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[–]EckhartsLadder 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
Yeah just like it was bots fighting against the wormhole video. /s
There's zero evidence, I don't understand why the suspicion has to be
first to mind before there's something really worth discrediting.
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[–]El-JeF-e 1 point2 points3 points 15 hours ago (0 children)
The commenters trying to make skeptics seem like disinfo agents you
are freaking ridiculous. If anything, the disinfo agents are the ones
posting easily provable fake videos because you make the UFO movement
look like garbage instead of singling out the truly interesting stuff.
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[–]swank5000 1 point2 points3 points 5 hours ago (0 children)
The Spiderman meme is members of the UFO community accusing each other
of being feds lmao
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[–]scubadoobadoooo 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago (0 children)
the dude on the right be like: 🗿
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[–]JD_the_Aqua_Doggo 4 points5 points6 points 21 hours ago (0 children)
The best way to combat this is with love. Always has been. Always will
be. Love leads us to truth. Do not let anyone force or coerce you into
living your life with fear and mistrust and hatred in your hearts.
Always ask who is posting/sharing this, and why. Dig around. But ask
yourself the most important questions and remember to love yourself
and remember we are all here together, as one species, on one planet,
together with all the life that exists around us.
They (likely I suspect the Pentagon or DoD but who knows for sure?)
want you afraid. Always.
Fear, rather than hatred, is the opposite of Love.
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[–]LakeMichUFODroneGuy 4 points5 points6 points 21 hours ago (2 children)
This is where this topic gets so muddy, because now you get a whole
bunch of people ignoring differing opinions solely because they think
it's a bot or bad actor.
But any good bot/troll farm will play both sides. They don't just give
out disagreeable opinions, they also agree with you and will egg you
on to look into other things to further the manipulation.
I've posted this before, but everyone in the sub needs to watch the
Mirage Men documentary to understand just how deeply woven UFO lore is
with government disinformation.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7zq2d6
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[–]Juan_Carlo -3 points-2 points-1 points 19 hours ago (1 child)
Yes. The only proven case where a government agent manipulated the UFO
community was by seeding it with a bunch of fake claims about how UFOs
are real. If they did that with this sub, people would eat it up and
accuse any skeptics of being bots, lol.
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[–]LakeMichUFODroneGuy 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
Grusch is another Bennewitz, and all of this is Doty 2.0 built for the
internet age.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/exair-force-law-enforceme_b_5312650
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[–]Im_not_a_coomer 3 points4 points5 points 22 hours ago* (0 children)
We'll see if this gets downvoted a lot by bots
edit: I guess not lmao
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[–]JAMBI215 3 points4 points5 points 21 hours ago (1 child)
I love how Kurt is smart Af but seems baffled sometimes by the most
simple concepts
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[–]DrestinBlack 2 points3 points4 points 20 hours ago (0 children)
This is never a good sign. Whenever a community trying hard to prove
its beliefs to the world has to resort to warning its followers that’s
their is misinformation, fake news, bots, etc to support their
conspiracy theories of government coverup — that is the signs that
science has been left far behind and it’s becoming more like … well…
I’m not gonna say the terms and get my comment deleted.
Be wary, indeed. Here is a legit warning. If you are spending way more
time explaining the coverup and how deep the conspiracy goes than
presenting evidence - you’ve already lost. Please, don’t go down that
inescapable rabbit hole. Sincere warning.
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[–]disinformation-agent 2 points3 points4 points 23 hours ago (1 child)
As your local disinformation agent, I can assure you that bots do not
exist and all is well. On the other hand, you should not trust a
disinformation agent either.
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[–]Unlikely_Thought2205 1 point2 points3 points 9 hours ago (0 children)
I trust you
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[–]APensiveMonkey 1 point2 points3 points 20 hours ago (0 children)
And they’re right here in r/UFOs. Wave hi to them! 👋🏼
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[–]_BannedAcctSpeedrun_ 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
I'm just mad that people are getting paid to shitpost and I'm not.
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[–]NSLearning 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
I think we need to trust our gut when it comes to the phenomenon. I’m
really drawn to the woo, as in The Law of One. It speaks to me and I
feel no need defend my beliefs. I would be shocked by my own beliefs
now a year ago. We all have to follow our own truth. If you’re
spending time tearing other people down you’re part of the problem.
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[–]suckmy_cork 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (2 children)
lol is the interviewer hearing about bots for the first time?
clearly never been on any online forum, twitter, comment section, reddit etc.
Bots everywhere mate and they are on every side. Russian, USA, EU,
China, literally everyone. And its just going to get more pervasive
and persuasive with the AI revolution.
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[–]Unlikely_Thought2205 -1 points0 points1 point 9 hours ago (1 child)
How are there EU bots? That's not even a country.
Russia and China obviously, but they don't hide it.
It's not okay at all to claim the EU uses bots like Russia does: to
strengthen fascist parties and politicians in other countries.
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[–]suckmy_cork 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago (0 children)
i mean from EU countries
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[–]largefluffs 1 point2 points3 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
I wouldn't believe anything Dolan says. He's a big admirer of Putin
and has never said a bad word about him. I've heard him say he thinks
RT is a completely unbiased and accurate news source. lol.
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[–]neilgraham 2 points3 points4 points 21 hours ago (0 children)
We know lmao
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[–]bejammin075 1 point2 points3 points 23 hours ago (1 child)
FYI, without a submission statement or some text your post will be
soon deleted by mods.
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[+]SoundHole comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points
19 hours ago (0 children)
I hope so.
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[–]noobpwner314 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
The Russian election meddling is a perfect example of how true this
is. I assure you that were trolling many groups not just the UFO
community. This is another day in the office for them.
I would go so far as to say that they would not only be debunking or
doing troll behavior, but also posting a lot of shitpost type stuff
that tends to frustrate the community. Like those painfully obviously
not a UAP videos that pop up over and over on here. They will do
anything to discourage the die hards and disinterest the casuals.
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[–]SuperbWater330 -2 points-1 points0 points 22 hours ago (1 child)
MAGA loves the bots. They believe every word.
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[–]NotOneStar 2 points3 points4 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
sounds like something a bot would say
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[–]desertash 0 points1 point2 points 22 hours ago (1 child)
based off Dolan's hair...which is majestic (12..ha!) here...this bit
is 1-2 years old
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[–]Waterdrag0n 4 points5 points6 points 22 hours ago (0 children)
Yup I use the hair style phase to work out if it’s a new video upload
or not from Dolan! Hilarious but true!
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[–]turbografix15 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
That’s why we have these bogus, disingenuous posting to take away from
the credibility of the real stuff. Take this lame supposed alien
capture that some guy claimed he got from the woods after the being
killed his dog. That’s a known hoax since almost 20 years, yet it
suddenly pops up on all the ufo subs with people trying to make you
think that it’s real etc etc. Same thing with the recent Vegas alien
backyard invasion thing.
They cloud the waters with their BS and the stuff that matters gets
ignored and buried. Tale as old as time.
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[–]agu-agu 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)
Stereotypical conspiracy theory thinking - everyone who disagrees with
the narrative is a shill, an actor, a paid disinformation agent.
That's a convenient way of discarding all skepticism and contrary
thinking. It's a bullshit way of instantly discrediting anyone who has
doubt. It's a claim that can be made with nothing to back it up
whatsoever, and which can be accepted at face value.
Oh, you don't like someone's argument? No worries, they're just paid
actors sent here to make us look bad! Oh, we latched onto some fake
bullshit like the CGI plane disappearance video and it was
demonstrated to be fake? No worries, it's just misinformation planted
here to divide people!
This is the same logic QAnon uses to constantly shift their own
goalposts when their stupid ass predictions fall flat on their faces.
I have been accused of being on a payroll before and it cracks me up
because obviously I know my own background. Let me give you a hint -
not everyone who disagrees with you is sent here by some spooky
government agency. Some of us are just curious individuals with real
skepticism who are intrigued by the topic but utterly unconvinced.
Reddit is not that important to believe that it's "ground zero" for
shills or whatever. It's pretty arrogant to think this goofy ass
subreddit has that much reach when the simple fact is that most people
consider UFOs a very fringe topic and need no cajoling by the
government to stay that way. The community constantly discredits
itself by gawking at every random video of a blob or a balloon or a
satellite and every shitty huckster that comes along.
I want to know about the existence of life elsewhere in the cosmos.
But my standard for proof is high and very few stories on this
community are even mildly convincing.
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[–]kael13 1 point2 points3 points 6 hours ago (0 children)
I'm sorry, it's people who go on the offensive like you who really
ring alarm bells. I also don't think you'd know a real video if you
saw it.
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[–]strangelifeouthere 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
You’re really yelling at a wall here - I don’t think anybody uses this
to discredit all skepticism. That’s silly and does not happen.
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[–]MannyArea503 -3 points-2 points-1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)
And so anyone who disagrees with the forced narrative is a troll/bot.
How convenient. /s
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[–]GalacticCowHeist 1 point2 points3 points 21 hours ago (0 children)
"so anyone"
No.
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[–]_meestir_ 0 points1 point2 points 20 hours ago (0 children)
How can you be this ignorant? I mean really? Bots have been around
since the infancy of social interactions via the internet.
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[–]Akesgeroth 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago (0 children)
Danger Dolan
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[–]RLMinMaxer 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago (0 children)
Personally I think anyone who takes the Mexican conman seriously must
be a plant. He's done this exact con several times, only a government
troll could possibly want to get more people to pay attention to him.
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[–]vinnymcapplesauce 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago (0 children)
Aaaaaand, who the fuck is Richard Dolan?
I swear, these supposed ufo experts are crawling out of the woodwork now.
I've been watching this topic for decades. Never heard of this guy at all.
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[–]Ron825 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (0 children)
I never really noticed the paid trolls until [the flight that shall
not be named]
They showed up in the hundreds and left when it was effectively
"banned" (sort of)
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[–]mountain_man30 -1 points0 points1 point 21 hours ago (0 children)
The reason we don't have disclosure is because a small group of people
realize the power behind the tech, once actualized, would destroy the
economic system of today. They would rather wait until the absolute
last minute to save their own ass because their nearsightedness is
blinding.
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[–]smellybarbiefeet -3 points-2 points-1 points 21 hours ago* (4 children)
It’s pretty obvious when the manipulation is in full swing. The vegas
shit and Malaysia airlines(seems to be cropping back up again), that
shitty 4chan larp. I mean come on, people need to wake the eff up.
There’s plenty going on at the moment, without having to fall for
obvious hoaxes. Quite frankly I don’t know why the mods continue to
let them be posted.
Edit: lol already getting targeted by the troll farm
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[–]quetzalcosiris -4 points-3 points-2 points 20 hours ago* (2 children)
Oh look, another account trying to censor discussion of the exact same topics.
Weird how they all keep mentioning Vegas, MH370, Peru attacks, Nazca
mummies, the 4chan "larp", and the EBO scientist "larp".
Just so weird.
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[–]FancySloth 3 points4 points5 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
Probably because they're all the latest things that have whipped these
subreddits into a frenzy. There's no wider conspiracy just because
people are talking about them.
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[–]smellybarbiefeet 0 points1 point2 points 20 hours ago (0 children)
Shocking 50 day old account troll harder
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[–]UffyMob4ever -1 points0 points1 point 16 hours ago (0 children)
bro tried to slide mh370 disappearance into that list of hoaxes lmao
stop the cap 🧢
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[–]I_Don-t_Care -1 points0 points1 point 20 hours ago (0 children)
if a simple bot can discredit your theories then i'm not sure if it's
the bot's fault.
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[–]Ok-Cut4890 -1 points0 points1 point 21 hours ago (0 children)
This guy doesn’t even know how to say Louis Armstrong lol
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[–]Hannibalvega44 -1 points0 points1 point 19 hours ago (0 children)
This very reddit is totally infested with the troll farms, the
"debnkers" and the laughers...
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[–]Revolutionary-Mud715 -1 points0 points1 point 18 hours ago (1 child)
job was done, i visit way less after mh370 bullshit, maybe that was the point.
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[–]PoppaJoe77 2 points3 points4 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
The absolute cacophony of "Fake! Respect the families! Stop posting!",
and "It's real! They're here! This is it!" was, in my opinion meant to
drown out and marginalize those who wanted to try and skeptically,
rationally piece together what they were seeing with other people.
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[+]Apprehensive_Camp202 -1 points0 points1 point 18 hours ago (0 children)
Coulthart is a plant.
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[–]SoundHole -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago (0 children)
The top three posts in this subreddit right now are bullshit grifters
baiting rubes with third rate Qanon type horseshit and people here are
lapping it up like chocolate pudding.
How embarrassing.
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[–]SirTheadore -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago (0 children)
This is great fuel for a cop out “well you’re obviously one of them”
excuses with anyone who criticises anything in this community.
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[–]GumbyQc -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago (0 children)
This subs is full of bots
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[–]pliskinito -1 points0 points1 point 16 hours ago (1 child)
So you re all not dumb fucks that believe that those small mommies are real ?
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[–]strangelifeouthere 1 point2 points3 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
Nope, isn’t that crazy? I’m sure you’re less entertained/empowered by
viewing the subreddit knowing that the majority doesn’t believe in
that whatsoever, but nope. Not everyone believes those mummies are
legit. Wild.
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[–]Euphoric-Ad1044 -2 points-1 points0 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
All the bots that have gone after any Coulthart related post recently
has made me more firm in my belief that he does in fact, know some
truth.
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[+]yourboigator1990 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4
points 21 hours ago (0 children)
Dolan's a known ufo griftbot
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[–]gaduran -2 points-1 points0 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
I acknowledge lots of shady posts and comments in the past months. So
much that I made a proposal for /r/UFOs to introduce user flairs to
acknowledge those who consistently contribute valuable insights
through their comments and posts.
My whole point is here : Elevating the Quality of r/UFOs: Let's Talk
User Flairs to Boost Our Content Game
Please share your thoughts.
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[–]JustPlainRude -4 points-3 points-2 points 20 hours ago (4 children)
Why would the government expend resources to "muddy the waters" in
communities like this? What are they afraid could happen here?
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[–]retoy1 1 point2 points3 points 20 hours ago* (1 child)
To influence public perception so they can control the narrative. It
doesn’t take many resources to hire a guy who manages a bot farm when
you deal in billion dollar budgets.
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[–]JustPlainRude -2 points-1 points0 points 17 hours ago (0 children)
To influence public perception so they can control the narrative.
But why?
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[–]Circle_Dot -1 points0 points1 point 17 hours ago (1 child)
They wouldnt. This is conspiracy stacking. Sure bots exist. But they
are not government sponsored bot farms. They are script kiddies whos
agenda is trolling or karma farming. This is classic deflection of
what people cling on to when the tide of online conversation goes
against their beliefs. Sure they are annoying but the world is big and
there are lots of opinions which the keyboard allows people to express
with zero guardrails.
The government can get way more control by censoring info and
controlling people in power than posting in random internet forums
that may be seen by a few hundred people at a time.
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[–]PoppaJoe77 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
Memes are infectious. Humans are suggestible. Humans are very
suggestible. Changing the minds of many starts by shifting the
opinions of a few.
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[–]retardjoeyb -1 points0 points1 point 19 hours ago (0 children)
Bots as in A.I. !!!
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[–]Secret_Crew9075 -1 points0 points1 point 19 hours ago (0 children)
airplane anyone? :)
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[–]Busy-Tumbleweed9409 -1 points0 points1 point 19 hours ago (0 children)
Ahh sjarnt provoka tours = agent provocateurs
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[–]BinkySmales -1 points0 points1 point 18 hours ago (0 children)
Mr Dolan has nailed the problem precisely. We have bots and many Doty
types who just dismiss anything. Hate is the one true thing that
humans can agree on.
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[–]mjsgirlll -1 points0 points1 point 13 hours ago (0 children)
I’ve been a part of this subreddit for a while now and I’ve noticed
that as it got more popularity (especially after Grush claims) the
amount of non-believers and people who “debunk” UFOs and share
disinformation increased drastically. Someone from the government has
been working super hard lately by paying these bots/people. For that
reason I started treating comments that immediately discredit or
“debunk” every UFO post very skeptically.
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[–]Smarktalk -2 points-1 points0 points 20 hours ago (0 children)
Why is this in all caps? Calm down brother.
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[–]ImAWizardYo -2 points-1 points0 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
Most people genuinely interested in the topic tend to avoid this sub
because of this exact reason. These rogue aspects of the intelligence
community have become like a cancer on our understanding and species
cognitive and spiritual development. It has no executive oversight
functioning with the higher gestalt of the collective organism in
mind. It breeds ignorance and hate and thus aggression and violence.
Despite its original role being formed to defend our country its
unregulated and destructive approach tearing at the social fabric is
in fact one of the larger threats to our collective social
development.
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[–]limaconnect77 -2 points-1 points0 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
Wasn’t there something on this sub last year, for a couple weeks
straight, about these types of characters being disinfo
agents/provocateurs themselves?!
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[–]curiousduo007 -2 points-1 points0 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
Ppl of influence w money these days all either have or hire bot farms
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[+]Cute-Cheesecake-8602 -3 points-2 points-1 points 20 hours ago (0 children)
Richard Dolan UFO top man. On the wall he have Michael standing on the
devil. Coincidence ? I don't think so.
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[–]solarpropietor -3 points-2 points-1 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
My question is this. Wouldn’t this be considered warfare upon its own
civilian population?
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[–]Chiefm56 0 points1 point2 points 20 hours ago (0 children)
Retail Apes can them skills, bots same thing.
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[–]Toothpinch 0 points1 point2 points 20 hours ago (0 children)
I mean - duh, right? You are all Potential bots as far as I’m concerned.
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[–]kindasfw 0 points1 point2 points 19 hours ago (0 children)
So easily influenced
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[–]infomuncher 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago (0 children)
Dolan must have caught wind of something…
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[–]realDKDomino 0 points1 point2 points 18 hours ago (0 children)
UFO's walk among us
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[–]Pitiful_Mulberry1738 0 points1 point2 points 17 hours ago (0 children)
Could someone transcribe this? At work and cannot watch with sound.
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[–]RLMinMaxer 0 points1 point2 points 16 hours ago (0 children)
The biggest problem is that they can disrupt in both directions:
upvote blatant bullshit, and downvote anything approaching the truth.
You can't trust anyone here, except me. I'm literally just a guy.
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[–]josogood 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago (0 children)
Damn, I keep getting Richard Dolan and Garry Nolan mixed up. I was
listening to this dude's voice going, "Why does he sound different?!?"
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[–]--ddiibb-- 0 points1 point2 points 15 hours ago (0 children)
for a watch of the full episode
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[–]Snarfblaff 0 points1 point2 points 14 hours ago (0 children)
Hes right, there are so many of them, and they're obvious.
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[–]Jakekonadawn 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago (0 children)
THERE ALL GOVERMENT BUILT AND CONTROLLED!
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[–]skullllll 0 points1 point2 points 13 hours ago (0 children)
AI seems to play a role in this as well.
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[–]Frosty_Technology842 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (0 children)
If a rogue project that has fallen outside the chain of command runs
the cover-up and very few people outside know what is going on, how
does this rogue project manage to interface with and use NSA/GCHQ to
carry out disinfo for them? Does no one at GCHQ go - "Who are you and
why are you asking me about using bots to mess with the UFO
community"?
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[–]Exare 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (0 children)
This happened to /r/superstonk.
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[–]Jamie-8182 0 points1 point2 points 11 hours ago (0 children)
I think he should have emphasized that they play both sides more than
he did, at least in this clip!
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[–]DizzyCancel36 0 points1 point2 points 10 hours ago (0 children)
1957 I was 6 years old my brother was 8 and his friend standing with
him also. We were in Anniston Alabama near an Army base. My brother
said while pointing between trees what is that. Now we where at a
street corner and I a tag along playing near the road a few feet away.
They got into a discussion over it that got my curiosity aroused. Had
to see it but as I drew near he said it’s gone. Then he turned and
said there it is. I looked and saw a sphere as tall as a 12 story
building above me at maybe 1000 ft. A shinny silver ball, seen by
hundreds in downtown Anniston. They sent that guy who reported the
thruth to the government but gave BS to the common folk.
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[–]babylawn5 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (0 children)
The MH370's orbs video dissaprance form this sub is a prime example of that
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[–]FinancialBarnacle785 0 points1 point2 points 9 hours ago (0 children)
I have no evidence of anything. I admit that if you asked, I would
tell you a fantastic, and mostly unfortunately very believable tale of
Sasquatch/human interaction, and natural friendship. You know, the
sort of 'kumbaya' happy, peaceful life all us happy, peaceful
"kumbaya' type Americans value and love to believe in and aspire
to....so, a guy, normal in most observable points, who finds himself
teaching martial arts in an isolate, mountainous
town, and a strange kid wanders in to his dojo....the kid can't talk,
but obviously loves to scuffle and learn wrestling and judo, and
....just keeps growing. Various situations developed
and everybody became highly adapted and accepted socially...even the
guy who moved in to 'town' and himself became more socially
aware...yeah, he writes amusing imaginative 'true' tales. With no
evidence nor proof.
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[–]exonetjono 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (0 children)
I find it so funny that people can instantly believe that CCP sends
out spies and etc into our internet to sow chaos but won't believe the
same cam be done from our own government.
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[–]Weaponized-Banana 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (0 children)
Most of Greers haters are bots I’d imagine
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[–]trident_hole 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (0 children)
Ahhh, anybody who has lurked 4chan can tell you Glowies exist and
they're there to make sure truth gets smeared worse than a hyperactive
two year old with diarrhea
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[–]bertiesghost 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (0 children)
Still surprises me the number of people who are not aware of this.
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[–]Sir_Not-Appear1ng 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago (0 children)
What is important to keep in mind while trying to ascertain whether an
account is more or less likely a bot/shill, is tone. Healthy
skepticism should be encouraged, same as those who respectfully argue
for their point on their belief of provided evidence. You will see
bots on both sides trying to tear the other side down, and honestly I
just don’t have patience for it anymore. If I see someone being
obnoxious in either direction I feel the need to downvote. This is a
sure fire way to suppress the reach of about 90% of bots/shills out
there, and I encourage everyone to do the same.
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[–]TheWebCoder 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago (1 child)
One of the rumors is that the cover up costs more than the research,
the budget for which is staggering. That would include an army of paid
Agent Provocateur to attack online communities all over the world.
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[–]DoNotLookUp1 0 points1 point2 points 33 minutes ago (0 children)
cover up costs more than the research
That would be insanely awful on top of the whole situation being
insanely awful if true. Not only was it covered up when the tech could
be helping us potentially but also they weren't even allocating the
most funds to researching it.. oh god lol
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[–]loveheretic 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago* (0 children)
One of the things I look for is when someone's character is attacked,
rather than the argument being directed to facts. You can tell, when
key words are repeated, that it is orchestrated. The best evidence of
at least some veracity in a message, is low blow attacks on the
messenger where key words are repeated. I slow down, breathe, remember
my own human flaws, and then try to find and weigh content.
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[–]GroWiza 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children)
When he says bots/bot farms what is he referring to exactly?
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[–]bleumagma 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (2 children)
There’s a 100% chance the government mods this sub. No real
information is going to get past disinformation agents with control
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[–]DoedoeBear 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (1 child)
am mod and not in government. based on discord cpnvos and voice calls,
pretty sure other mods are just regular folk too.
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[–]bleumagma 1 point2 points3 points 3 hours ago (0 children)
Isn’t this video literally saying that people will do exactly that?
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[–]MudOk790 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children)
This should be pinned.
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