Cryptocurrency: Action - Shutdown The US RESTRICT Act
grarpamp
grarpamp at gmail.com
Wed Mar 29 00:06:17 PDT 2023
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/686/text?s=1&r=15
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The New RESTRICT Act needs all of our attention
I’ve seen this bill being tossed around on some of the new “TIK TOK
could be banned” headlines and wanted to share it with you. It’s far
worse than I thought it could be and if passed it will affect us all.
For those wondering this is essentially the PATRIOT Act, but for the
internet. It gives the government any reason that it deems as national
security an avenue to access your data, your procedures, and to
enforce these measure harshly.
Can I use a VPN? No. This Bill’s wording is so incredibly broad,
meaning if it connects in any way that they see fit, it’ll stretch to
every reach with the penalties being OH SHIT kind of penalties. I
tried to find specifically the wording of VPN as was mentioned in
several other subs but couldn’t find it myself. See Section (11) under
subsection (c) for penalties on these matters.
(c) Criminal Penalties.— (1) IN GENERAL.—A person who willfully
commits, willfully attempts to commit, or willfully conspires to
commit, or aids or abets in the commission of an unlawful act
described in subsection (a) shall, upon conviction, be fined not more
than $1,000,000, or if a natural person, may be imprisoned for not
more than 20 years, or both.
But you’re just paranoid like all r/cc users! Mmm maybe but perhaps
not. Currency in and of itself is incredibly important to the US
government. There’s a lot of language in this bill that’s too broad
for me to accept as anything over than government overreach, here’s an
example from the same Section (11):
(F) No person may engage in any transaction or take any other action
with intent to evade the provisions of this Act, or any regulation,
order, direction, mitigation measure, prohibition, or other
authorization or directive issued thereunder.
THIS BILL IS NOT TO BAN TIK TOK, IT IS TO PUT A COLLAR ON THE
INTERNET. IF THIS PASSES, WIDESPREAD ADOPTION IS NOT ONLY GONE FOREVER
FOR THE US BUT IT’LL CONSTRICT GENERATIONS TO COME FROM BREAKING
THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT’S FASCISTIC WAY OF DISCERNING WHO AMONG US ARE
CRIMINALS BY OUR DATA.
Please read this bill, please let me know if I’m missing something.
It’s important we all stay educated as this might be our first
existential threat to crypto currencies. If they ban VPN with such a
heavy penalty, who knows what’s next? 20 Years in jail for a emulating
a game?
EDIT TO ADD BILL:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/686/text?s=1&r=15
2nd EDIT: Data bills should always be something to look in to. I had a
comment earlier where I said “They could just write a bill on
outsourcing data to foreign servers.” Sounds easy? Well crypto could
be seen as that data. If we want to preserve what we’ve all built
here, I’d hope you, like me, are going to keep a close eye on data
bills going forward.
3rd EDIT: There are those who are assuring me it won’t affect crypto
so here’s another passage:
Section (3) (a)
(1) poses an undue or unacceptable risk of—
(B) catastrophic effects on the security or resilience of the critical
infrastructure or digital economy of the United States;
4th and Last Edit: Of course this bill only targets foreign entities
with malice. I’m not here to misrepresent the bill or help criminals
and adversaries take advantage of Americans. My concern is that these
measures can be applied past, present, and future tense and that it
could be abused in the future by adding a country out of favor with a
party or removing a country who paid enough into politics. My concern
is that our political system in the states has not been reliable and
I’m concerned a bad actor could use this as a weapon. Please read it
all, it’s not that bad past the definition sections, but I want to
reiterate my intent with the post was simply to discuss what I still
see as a worrisome bill that can be amended for generations to come.
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[–]tamaleA19Platinum | QC: CC 749 | KIN 5 241 points 18 hours ago
It’s an outrageous overreach. They may claim it’s for privacy and
security but will just be used as a tool for censorship and control
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[–]NathhfhTin | 3 months old 105 points 17 hours ago
What scares me is that we all know why they are doing this. We know
this playbook. Its been used by oppressive regimens multiple times
before.
Yet there isnt any strong public backlash or even any repercussion
from the legislature for proposing such things. We are either too busy
keeping our family alive or too numb to protest all this crap
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[–]tamaleA19Platinum | QC: CC 749 | KIN 5 35 points 17 hours ago
Exactly and they get away with by making sure we’re too numb or busy
trying to keep our family alive
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 27 points 16 hours ago
Apathy runs strong these days. Cheers to the people still learning
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[–]Wonderful_Bad6531 2 points 12 hours ago
yey cheers for us!
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[–]coinsRus-2021Silver | QC: CC 52 | ADA 222 | TraderSubs 11 16 points
16 hours ago
Too many boot lickers willfully ready to comply
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[–]BountyBard 9 points 11 hours ago
This is deeply concerning. If this bill passes, it'll not only affect
the crypto world but also the basic privacy and freedom of every
internet user in the US. We need to stand together and raise awareness
to stop this from happening.
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[–]Hawke64Platinum | QC: CC 199 7 points 15 hours ago
And divide us when we start to complain. See Occupy Wall Street movement
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[–]Jeff5704Tin | 5 months old 3 points 12 hours ago
You know it!
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[–]7101334Platinum | QC: CC 62 7 points 14 hours ago
Longer than that man. See COINTELPRO. Dividing and conquering their
own population is official US policy.
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[–]coinsRus-2021Silver | QC: CC 52 | ADA 222 | TraderSubs 11 10 points
16 hours ago
Screw these overreaching clowns
Pay attention
This shit they pull impacts us all, gravely
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[–]BountyBard 2 points 11 hours ago
The implications of this bill go far beyond just cryptocurrencies.
It's a matter of personal freedom and privacy. We can't sit idly by
while our rights are stripped away. Let's unite as a community and
fight back against this legislation!
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[–]coinsRus-2021Silver | QC: CC 52 | ADA 222 | TraderSubs 11 1 point
11 hours ago
Where’s the petitions I’ll sign
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[–]zUdioBronze | r/CMS 7 | Economics 262 6 points 16 hours ago
It’s so egregious that really someone should be finding out who put
these words onto a page.
They need justice. You can’t put these words on a page in a modern era
and not receive justice...
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[–]goofytigreShitcoin Connoisseur 2 points 14 hours ago
They are using TikTok to push this forward because TikTok as a
platform is very polarizing. Mostly divided along generational lines,
people either love it or hate it (younger Millennials down to Gen
Alpha love TikTok, elder Millennials and older hate it). Most of the
money donated to Congress comes from older folks. Congress will do
just about anything their money tells them to do, and Congress knows
how to manipulate those donors to support trash legislation. They give
a trash bill a catchy acronym/name, get everyone emotionally charged
by saying it is in regards to TikTok, add China into the mix for a
little fear/propaganda/patriotism. Now they have a bill supported by
their donors, ready to steal more privacy from the proletariat all in
the name of protecting our data from TikTok/China.
This is a playbook they use often. We need to stop falling for their bullshit.
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[–]IgnisVitae- 1 point 16 hours ago
isn't it always been like this, make citizens either go against each
other or be too busy to even care while they sneakily do their owns
shit
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[–]UDP7Tin 1 point 15 hours ago
The reason there is no protest is because you need mainstream media
reporting these details and the mainstream media is run by the
government so they're not going to let that happen.
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[–]DATY4944Platinum | QC: CC 21 | ADA 12 | Investing 17 1 point 15 hours ago
They've managed to keep people dumb, weak, and financially powerless,
but just enough to not piss anyone off. And anyone who gets pissed off
is dumb enough to believe it's the left or the right at fault, not the
ruling class in general.
So instead of having a real enemy to band together against, half the
country can't connect with the other half, and you have the perfect
distraction from any action.
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[–]kwanijmlPlatinum | QC: BTC 50, CC 28, BCH 27 | Economics 41 1 point
12 hours ago*
There isn't a strong backlash because most people worship the state
like they're in a cult.
They can't help but separate in their minds, the nirvana fallacy of
what governments should or could do, from how governments actually
behave in the real world.
They can't fathom that governments inevitably head towards harming
people more than they protect people from being harmed.
Doesn't matter how many people have been slaughtered or wars
initiated, or millions thrown in prison for victimless crimes, or
economies destroyed, or trillions of the currency unit printed and
hyper-inflated, or how many workers unions busted, or rent-seekers
enriched....
No, it's never the nation-state itself which might be a bad idea...its
just that other sect over there. It's always okay to wage holy war
against the other sect of the religion...but one can never question
the state God itself, or think that maybe, just maybe, law and
governance might make a little more sense decentralized to match
actual communities with shared values. That would be crazy talk to
think that life could ever possibly be worth living without the
privilege of fighting this Sisyphean battle against the nation-state
trying to subvert every human right at every turn.
So stupid! Without one government over entire continents- Who would
build the roads? Who would provide police for no-knock raids? Who
would beat war drums against brown children in middle eastern
countries and create the threat of global nuclear annihilation with
other nuclear armed dictatorships?
In the face of the masses who literally think this way, what hope did
cryptocurrency advocates ever think there was of staying in the good
graces of the state, and the masses who believe that life would end
suddenly if the FBI doesn't have dragnet access to everyone's finances
and communications? [gasp] they might catch one fewer (non-state)
terrorist or (non-state-sanctioned) money-launderer or someone might
do drugs.
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[–]The_Chorizo_BanditSilver | QC: CC 846, XRP 41 | TRX 28 1 point 11 hours ago
If you protest you often get shot or arrested, so there is that…
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[–]dopef123Silver | QC: SOL 139, CC 109, ETH 61 | CAKE 41 | TraderSubs
56 1 point 9 hours ago
We need some group like the ACLU building the resistance against this.
Unfortunately the ACLU became some hyper woke group that doesn't
really care about free speech. How do we organize ourselves to fight
this?
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[–]JustBreatheBelieveTin | Politics 32 1 point 6 hours ago
Yet there isn't any strong public backlash or even any
repercussion from the legislature for proposing such things. We are
either too busy keeping our family alive or too numb to protest all
this crap.
Additionally, the majority of people don't know how bad the effects
could be or they think it won't affect them so they don't care.
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[–]InsaneMcFriesPlatinum | QC: CC 256 21 points 16 hours ago
This time it’s even in the name. RESTRICT act, compared to PATRIOT
act? Come on people, shut this shit down wherever you can. Reach out
to your representatives, spread the message. I thought these dystopian
bills were over but they are back once again and something tells me we
haven’t seen the last of the them either. 😞
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[–]kwanijmlPlatinum | QC: BTC 50, CC 28, BCH 27 | Economics 41 7
points 12 hours ago
I don't understand why it's acceptable, even preferable to most
people, to have to live this way...in this constant Sisyphean battle
against a frankly malevolent state.
When are people going to understand that you can't rationally,
centrally govern a country of 350 million people (let alone a billion
or 1.5 billion) without getting authoritarian and more autocratic, and
dysfunctional and captured and corrupted? It was never going to work.
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[–]sakata32Platinum | QC: CC 742 5 points 14 hours ago
Dystopian bills will never be over. People in power will always try to
abuse it as much as they can
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[–]SimbaTheWeaselBronze | QC: ALGO 18 1 point 14 hours ago
This is correct. Dystopian is the ultimate goal for those in power.
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[–]tamaleA19Platinum | QC: CC 749 | KIN 5 2 points 10 hours ago
They’re not even trying to hide it anymore behind flowery names
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[–]dopef123Silver | QC: SOL 139, CC 109, ETH 61 | CAKE 41 | TraderSubs
56 2 points 9 hours ago
Next thing you'll say the Be a Great Person Act has wording that
allows them to grind the homeless into a fertilizer. How could that be
when the name is so nice?
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[–]coinsRus-2021Silver | QC: CC 52 | ADA 222 | TraderSubs 11 12 points
16 hours ago
I absolutely hate the government and how they operate
Both parties btw
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[–]kwanijmlPlatinum | QC: BTC 50, CC 28, BCH 27 | Economics 41 6
points 12 hours ago
THIS COMMENT IS NOT REDDIT-APPROVED.
PLEASE REPORT FOR REPROGRAMMING UNTIL YOU BELIEVE THAT THE OTHER TEAM
IS WORSE AND THAT IF WE JUST GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN POWER, THINGS
WILL BE UTOPIC
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[–]coinsRus-2021Silver | QC: CC 52 | ADA 222 | TraderSubs 11 5 points
11 hours ago
Lol 😂
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[–]feeblemind69 6 points 16 hours ago
This is some bs we can't accept this
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[–]digitFIREPlatinum | QC: CC 257 4 points 17 hours ago
Indeed. Unfortunately using privacy and security as a justification has no end.
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[–]ThomasTheTrai 3 points 16 hours ago
history has been repeating itself
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[–]LongUntilWSBShowsUp1 - 2 years account age. 35 - 100 comment karma.
1 point 16 hours ago
Meet the new boss,same as the old.
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[–]BringerofsalvationPlatinum | QC: CC 96 1 point 15 hours ago
All the actions taken by them don’t suggest anything else. They won’t
settle for anything less than complete control of our lives at this
point.
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[–]mistressbitcoinPlatinum | QC: CC 241 | DayTrading 8 | Fin.Indep.
314 1 point 15 hours ago
Just like all the covid restrictions
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[–]SpaceFaceMistake 1 point 15 hours ago
The Illuminati is real.
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[–]Don_Frika_Del_PrimaFTM 1 point 14 hours ago
Meanwhile in other news:
https://www.trustnodes.com/2023/03/28/us-gov-becomes-top-holder-of-bitcoin
1% of all the bitcoin is in hands of the US government.
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[–]giddyup281Platinum | QC: CC 1135 | r/CMS 6 | Technology 12 1 point
12 hours ago
"But, but, Patriot act is for protection against terrorist threats." /s
YES, this will be used to oppress civil liberties. Write to your
congress person. NOW
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[–]SuccumbedToReddit 1 point 10 hours ago
Why would politicians want this? Like, who are they targeting with it?
I can't believe it is crypto.
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[–]dopef123Silver | QC: SOL 139, CC 109, ETH 61 | CAKE 41 | TraderSubs
56 1 point 9 hours ago
Yeah, this is pretty nuts. If this bill came up under Trump people
would be shouting from the hills about how he's trying to create an
authoritarian environment online.
Any bill that takes away our freedoms needs to be stopped. We can
rarely get them back.
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[–]ShotCryptographer523Platinum | QC: CC 237 | VET 9 1 point 6 hours ago
I lived in China previously and their laws concerning VPN use are
strict, but not that strict.
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[–]jewpandaSilver | QC: CC 15 | r/Technology 24 1 point 5 hours ago
It was a good ride. We're all fucked.
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[–]evoxyseahPlatinum | QC: CC 206, BTC 22, LW 18 | ADA 19 1 point 3 hours ago
This is so disgusting. We need to wake up and fight against the bad actors.
Our comfort zone is going to boil us alive.
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[–]k3surfacermy coin is better than your coin 55 points 18 hours ago*
shall, upon conviction, be fined not more than $1,000,000, or if a
natural person, may be imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both.
So got a VPN? You get "Very Personally Nuked" .
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[–]NathhfhTin | 3 months old 40 points 17 hours ago
Want to watch Netflix UK? Nuked
Want to access geolocked services of your hoke country while traveling
abroad? Also nuked
Want to keep your children safe from predators online? Believe it or not - Nuked
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[–]IgnisVitae- 11 points 16 hours ago
Want to keep your children safe from predators online?
US: DENIED! We'll even lower marry-able age!
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[–]deathbyfish13Free Range Moon Farmer 2 points 12 hours ago
"You want your kids safe? Well too bad were making them less safe instead"
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[–]MasterLogic 1 point 16 hours ago
Netflix already blocks most vpns now, and has been doing it for years.
It's illegal for them to distribute movies to different counties,
always has been. As is with other locked websites.
This isn't a new thing.
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[–]k3surfacermy coin is better than your coin 1 point 13 hours ago
So to protest, people need only to ask "please don't nuke us". Sound reasonable.
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[–]OneThatNoseOnePlatinum | QC: CC 40 1 point 8 hours ago
Doesn't even make sense on so many levels
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[–]tamaleA19Platinum | QC: CC 749 | KIN 5 24 points 18 hours ago
VPN will easily be construed as an attempt to evade
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 26 points 18 hours ago
This is what I’ve come to understand. Evasion is such tricky wording
but even Crypto itself could be seen as evasion as it has been seen
before.
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[–]tamaleA19Platinum | QC: CC 749 | KIN 5 17 points 18 hours ago
They’ll definitely count any interaction with privacy coins like
Monero in that too
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 10 points 16 hours ago
Well and they can get transaction data from any entity operating in
the US, like exchanges. It’d be awful hard to imagine a coin
succeeding when it must be traded in the darkest of alleys with the
penalty of 20 years looming.
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[–]BountyBard 1 point 11 hours ago
The RESTRICT Act is a perfect example of government overreach. Crypto
has always been about financial freedom, and this bill poses a serious
threat to our community. Let's spread the word!!
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[–]zUdioBronze | r/CMS 7 | Economics 262 5 points 16 hours ago
Evasion is something you do when you’re kidnapped and are trying to get away.
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[–]Meltsomeice 1 point 7 hours ago
We may just say we were watching the Super Bowl.
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[–]giddyup281Platinum | QC: CC 1135 | r/CMS 6 | Technology 12 8 points
12 hours ago
Collapsing the working class? $100k fine.
Torrenting a documentary through VPN? (in my best Dr Evil voice) ONE
MILLION DOLLARS!
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[–]fatfk69 2 points 12 hours ago
Literal manifestation of "gnna end this person's whole career"
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[–]dopef123Silver | QC: SOL 139, CC 109, ETH 61 | CAKE 41 | TraderSubs
56 1 point 9 hours ago
I have to imagine they will not enforce this until they have someone
they randomly want to bring the hammer down onto.
This wording is way too general and the bill is not useful.
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[–]PMme10dolarSteamCardGold | QC: CC 63 83 points 18 hours ago
Sounds like they hate freedom
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[–]marekt14Platinum | QC: CC 81 | LRC 5 | r/WSB 22 40 points 17 hours ago
US rebranding:
Land of the [Redacted]
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[–]WoowoodyydoowoowSilver | QC: CC 353 | LRC 31 13 points 17 hours ago
I think that [Redacted].
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[–]deathbyfish13Free Range Moon Farmer 6 points 12 hours ago
Holy shit, looks like this guy just got [Redacted] because [Redacted]
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[–]Trevor792221 2 points 48 minutes ago
[Redacted]
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[–]Hawke64Platinum | QC: CC 199 9 points 15 hours ago
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
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[–]Dieselpump510Silver | QC: CC 71, ETH 60, CCMemes 21 | ADA 18 |
TraderSubs 57 8 points 16 hours ago
More that they love control
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 7 points 16 hours ago
The banks spoiled them. They can’t lose their “projection power.”
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[–]Wonderful_Bad6531 1 point 12 hours ago
true, some things just can't be controlled
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[–]Hawke64Platinum | QC: CC 199 23 points 18 hours ago
Ironically US really loves spreading freedom with their attack carrier group
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[–]Ben_Dover1234Bronze | QC: CC 18 17 points 18 hours ago
Freedom is not optional
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[–]bannybanana 1 point 16 hours ago
But the US is also not the one who decides if you’re free
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[–]y90210Platinum | QC: BTC 47 | Stocks 99 12 points 18 hours ago
Bankers were great at taking over the anti banking movement from 2009
and turning it into the sjw movement. Same hippies who used to protest
wars now call you a Nazi for wanting peace talks between Russia and
Ukraine.
Divide and conquer works well when your country is filled with morons.
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[–]Diamondangel82Bronze | QC: CC 20 | ModeratePolitics 77 6 points 16 hours ago
Someone who gets it...
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[–]ValsinatsKrrtBronze | 5 months old 2 points 16 hours ago
Shit man, be careful with your truth on this site lol
Thank god /cc is saner than most of reddit, I almost can’t bother post
anywhere else but here
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[–]crownpuff -2 points 14 hours ago*
Unironically using the term sjw. Yeah we all know who you voted for in 2020.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
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[–]DEEPFIELDSTAR 1 point 7 hours ago
Way to prove his point. Open your eyes.
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[+]Mysterious_Comb9550 2 points 17 hours ago (0 children)
[–]unitys2011Platinum | QC: CC 35 2 points 17 hours ago
Sounds like they hate everything they can’t control
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[–]DukiOn_Chit0Mus0lini 0 points 16 hours ago
A lot of GOP on this type of bill as expected! Feels like a remix of
the Patriot Act.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 6 points 16 hours ago
Written by a democrat last I checked. The republicans have no qualms
about passing this as well, but it’s surprising how many on both sides
of the aisle would like to see this through. The left, for the banks
and the right, for the access.
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[–]InsaneMcFriesPlatinum | QC: CC 256 4 points 15 hours ago*
We, the people, have been segregated into a pointless political
division between two parties, and attack each other as if fighting
over sports teams. We need to band together and fight upwards and take
our control back from the grips of the 1%. No doubt Democrats and
Republicans have very different views of the world, but the fact of
the matter is that the two parties are still very centrist in the big
picture, and these giant issues that become a two-sided debate most of
the time is absolutely a joke.
Something’s gotta give and I will feel so sorry for the American
people if the return of these power grab bills actually makes it
through this time. It’s an outrage.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 2 points 15 hours ago
Agreed. I’ve been an independent my whole adult life. I’ve had a few
disagree with my take on this bill but I wasn’t offered passages yet
showing me where I have a misconception. I hope the voting public
starts caring more about the information than premise. It’s important
if we intend to avoid overreach.
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[–]IamKingBeaglePlatinum | QC: CC 94 | Politics 19 2 points 13 hours ago
Ranked choice voting in USA please. We need to get rid of the extremes
on both sides.
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[–]Fair_Raccoon9333 1 point 14 hours ago
I can't find any evidence VPN is included in this bill or how it
relates to individuals not associated with foreign adversaries. Is it
possible you are being chicken little?
This bill requires federal actions to identify and mitigate
foreign threats to information and communications technology (ICT)
products and services. It also establishes civil and criminal
penalties for violations under the bill.
Specifically, the Department of Commerce must identify, deter,
disrupt, prevent, prohibit, investigate, and mitigate transactions
involving ICT products and services (1) in which any foreign adversary
has any interest, and (2) that pose an undue or unacceptable risk to
U.S. national security or the safety of U.S. persons.
Additionally, Commerce must identify and refer to the President
any covered holding (e.g., stock or security) that poses an undue or
unacceptable risk to U.S. national security or the security and safety
of U.S. persons. If the President determines that the holding poses
such a risk, the President may compel divestment of or otherwise
mitigate the risk associated with the holding.
Commerce may (1) designate any foreign government or regime as a
foreign adversary upon a determination that the foreign government or
regime is engaged in a long-term pattern or serious instances of
conduct significantly adverse to U.S. national security or the
security and safety of U.S. persons, and (2) remove such a
designation. Commerce must notify Congress before making or removing a
designation; these actions are subject to congressional disapproval.
The bill outlines (1) enforcement mechanisms, including actions by
the Department of Justice; and (2) civil and criminal penalties for
violations.
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[–]BountyBard 1 point 11 hours ago
No matter the colors, we must be vigilant and stay informed on such
potential threats to our freedom and privacy. The RESTRICT Act is a
wolf in sheep's clothing. It's time to put aside our differences and
join forces against this legislation.
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[–]DukiOn_Chit0Mus0lini 1 point 11 hours ago
That's funny Republican Baby Bush signed it, his problem. Guess the
GOP loves that authoritarian communism it loves to preach!
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[–]Right-Shopping9589 1 point 17 hours ago
But they love fighting for it
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[–]red_beeredPlatinum | QC: CC 122, r/CCs. 16 | Politics 137 1 point
16 hours ago
They know the empire is on the decline, and stuff like this is their
way of slowing that decline so they can keep the status quo going long
enough while they're alive.
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[–]sarfianTin | ADA 8 1 point 16 hours ago
Sounds not good from a government that promotes freedom
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[–]BrocoliAssassinSilver | QC: BTC 218, CC 105 | CelsiusNet. 25 1
point 16 hours ago
It’s not that they hate freedom, they love it for themselves, but just
not for you.
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[–]MetikMasBronze | QC: CC 17 1 point 13 hours ago
Their idea of freedom is really just comfort. Corporate slaves aren’t
free but they push the idea that you are “free” to be a part of the
machine in whatever position you choose but only if you work hard and
generate more money for them.
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[–]giddyup281Platinum | QC: CC 1135 | r/CMS 6 | Technology 12 1 point
12 hours ago
It's like they found oil on the Internet
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[–]dopef123Silver | QC: SOL 139, CC 109, ETH 61 | CAKE 41 | TraderSubs
56 1 point 9 hours ago
You need to give up your guns and crypto because people are getting hurt!!!
Freedoms come at a price. The question is how much are we willing to
pay for them. It really is a tough question. But the ability to
transact freely is worth all the scams and shadiness imo. Others may
not agree.
Bankless has some good episodes on how important the ability to
transact is. Especially in the modern world.
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[–]CheesebaronPlatinum | QC: XMR 76, BTC 46, CC 20 | r/AMD 126 56
points 18 hours ago
Sounds like the RESTRICT act is restricting freedom. We should
restrict politicians instead.
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[–]Towryaalai 13 points 17 hours ago
I think we should RESTRICT age in politicians.
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[–]Hawke64Platinum | QC: CC 199 6 points 15 hours ago
The senate needs some fresh young opinions of 60 year-olds
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[–]Right-Shopping9589 3 points 17 hours ago
Yeah those fvcking old pervert deserve to be restricted
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[–]RemingtonSnatchTin | ModeratePolitics 55 -4 points 16 hours ago
Plenty of stupidity across the age board.
*cough*AOC *cough*
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[–]franky_reboot 0 points 13 hours ago
AOC is a blessing compared to dinosaurs like Biden, Pelosi or even
Elizabeth Warren
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[–]RemingtonSnatchTin | ModeratePolitics 55 0 points 12 hours ago
LOL. She is the same as them (especially Warren), just with a lower
IQ. Her legislative record would fit on a fortune cookie slip, and her
ideas are every bit as bad.
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[–]franky_reboot 1 point 9 hours ago
I see it otherwise, frankly.
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[–]RemingtonSnatchTin | ModeratePolitics 55 1 point 9 hours ago*
Any examples of legislation that she authored that you approve of?
Should note that she has never sponsored anything that got passed
either chamber. She is objectively ineffective.
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[–]franky_reboot 1 point 9 hours ago
Any examples of leglislation that she authored that you approve of?
I totally dig the Green New Deal and the Loan Shark Prevention Act, to
name only two.
Whether they pass or not is irrelevant. These are important issues I
can side with
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[–]franky_reboot 1 point 13 hours ago
This.
Politician is a dirty job. Someone's gotta do it anyways.
Age is one significant factor that makes it so terrible.
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[–]NathhfhTin | 3 months old 5 points 17 hours ago
RESTRICT act is restricting freedom
With that name, who would have guessed
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[–]InsaneMcFriesPlatinum | QC: CC 256 1 point 15 hours ago
It is right there in the name. That is an obvious red flag and
honestly I don’t even bloody know why they put it through with it like
that. Fuck this shit people, they must think we are a laughing stock
to not stand against this, unlike the PATRIOT act which was a
masqueraded attempt.
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[–]Ben_Dover1234Bronze | QC: CC 18 6 points 18 hours ago
Physically?
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[–]roamingandyPlatinum | QC: CC 15 | IOTA 5 | Futurology 14 1 point 16
hours ago*
I recon ChatGPT5 could do a better and fairer job. I say we give it a go.
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[–]OneOverNeverTin 1 point 12 hours ago
To think Hayek already spoke about this in the 80s, wrote a whole
book! "The Fatal Conceit"....
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[–]JocoguiBronze | 6 months old | QC: CC 15 102 points 18 hours ago
Recently US Politisaurus and Legislasaurus went out of control.
we don't understand -> we ban
US in risk of erasing its "land of the free" motto.
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[–]NathhfhTin | 3 months old 54 points 17 hours ago
we don't understand -> we ban
I wish they were this innocent. They understand exactly what crypto is
about. Thats WHY they wana ban it. They are afraid of what it will do
to their cushy lives when they cant game the financial system any more
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[–]HadMatter217Platinum | QC: CC 49 | PoliticalHumor 168 4 points 16 hours ago
If anything, crypto is much, much easier to game than traditional
finance. Half of crypto is scams anyway. You're kidding yourself if
you think the rich can't use it to fuck poor people.
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[–]coinsRus-2021Silver | QC: CC 52 | ADA 222 | TraderSubs 11 7 points
16 hours ago
What? You're kidding right? Have you seen penny stocks? thousands upon
thousands of them. Stock market is full of complete trash and fraud.
Our banks are full of fraud. How on earth do you look at our current
financial system and say the rich aren't already using it to screw
poor people.
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[–]HadMatter217Platinum | QC: CC 49 | PoliticalHumor 168 2 points 16 hours ago
Crypto is literally just all of those things plus multiple layers of
tech that people don't understand. Even on this sub, how many people
actually understand how bridges work? You can post on stock trading
subs all day and get no DM's but you post on crypto subs a few times
and you get dozens. You know why that is? It works. On top of that,
pumping and dumping in crypto is easy as fuck if you hold any kind of
capital, and this has been pretty well known forever. There are
definitely bad stocks out there, but there are literally less than 5
crypto tokens that are even as good as the worse of them. On top of
that, crypto happens mostly on unregulated exchanges where bad
behavior goes unpunished 100% of the time, and no authority has
jurisdiction to do anything about it, so the rich get to do whatever
they want.
At the end of the day, every capitalist loves an unregulated market.
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[–]UrbanWoodyTin 1 point 16 hours ago*
Why would they change their modus operandi, when the current one is
working perfectly?
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[–]HadMatter217Platinum | QC: CC 49 | PoliticalHumor 168 1 point 15 hours ago
Just because a hammer is doing the job now doesn't mean you won't
eventually want a screwdriver. It's just another tool in their
toolbox.
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[–]coinsRus-2021Silver | QC: CC 52 | ADA 222 | TraderSubs 11 1 point
16 hours ago
Makes my blood boil...
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[–]excubitor15379WARNING: 4 - 5 years account age. 0 - 32 comment
karma. 1 point 16 hours ago
Crypto is guerilla and they fighting vilagers rendering help to them.
Does US turn into CHR?
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[–]Hawke64Platinum | QC: CC 199 18 points 18 hours ago
Land of the free™
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[–]DamnumGaudium 4 points 17 hours ago
Shit, you mean I can't use that phrase freely anymore for mocking US?
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[–]bannybanana 4 points 16 hours ago
Land of the free but only for the rich and powerful
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[–]coinsRus-2021Silver | QC: CC 52 | ADA 222 | TraderSubs 11 1 point
16 hours ago
Yeah except the ruling party is bought out by a communist regime and
won't be touched by a finger - you choose, fascist or communist. Those
are the choices anymore, here.
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[–]lukekibsTin 1 point 16 hours ago
Land of the ex-free and cryptoless people!
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[–]Right-Shopping9589 6 points 17 hours ago
Land of the free💀
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[–]HadMatter217Platinum | QC: CC 49 | PoliticalHumor 168 16 points 16 hours ago
Wait.. the country that was founded on the genocide of indigenous
people and built on the backs of slaves from Africa was ever
considered the "land of the free"? Laughable. The "land of the free"
that wouldn't even let women or black people vote for a century? The
"land of the free" that only allowed land owners to vote? The "land of
the free" that has performed experiments on their own people,
installed dictators all over the world, and remains completely under
corporate control? There's no risk in erasing anything. What you're
talking about never existed except in propaganda.
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[–]EpicMichaelFreemanSilver | QC: CC 136, BNB 18 | ADA 473 | NVIDIA 58
2 points 14 hours ago
OK how about Land of the Fee? Can we get that at least???
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[–]feeblemind69 2 points 16 hours ago
They understand that crypto could undermine their power and control so
they will try to get rid of it
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[–]Towryaalai 1 point 17 hours ago
"Land of the free (but for those who give us money)"
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[–]roamingandyPlatinum | QC: CC 15 | IOTA 5 | Futurology 14 1 point 16
hours ago
"No not that kind. Only our own kind of money"
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[–]MindTheMindForMind 1 point 17 hours ago
Every government that doesn’t understand something is going to ban this thing…
It’s easy for them, instead of be a critical thinker and do the right
things for everybody.
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[–]sgtlarkSilver | QC: CC 36 | SHIB 14 1 point 14 hours ago
In risk? Where have you been for the past 110 years? The US have not
been a constitutional republic for a long time. Heavy regulation (and
legitimized intervention) in places where the state should not even
come close, centralization of power in the hands of federal
government, subservient governors, restrictions of personal freedoms,
not to talk about what happened since the end of the WWII in the whole
military first then intelligence and law enforcement sectors.
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[–]franky_reboot 1 point 13 hours ago
Many argue they have erased its meaning decades ago.
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[–]SoNElgenSilver | QC: CC 140, LTC 111, BTC 107 | VET 764 |
TraderSubs 212 1 point 13 hours ago
When was it ever a land of the free? Last western country to abolish
slavery and segregation. They still have natives living on
reservations like second tier citizens. At it's inception, you could
be gunned down by people who disliked your
religion/nationality/whatever. Hell, people are still not FREE to
choose their own destinies. It's a nation of modern day slaves.
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[–]giddyup281Platinum | QC: CC 1135 | r/CMS 6 | Technology 12 1 point
12 hours ago
Still not sure why people that were alive when the Sun was created
have any say in what we do on the Internet.
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[–]JocoguiBronze | 6 months old | QC: CC 15 1 point 12 hours ago
When you say internet they understand witchery.
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[–]kwanijmlPlatinum | QC: BTC 50, CC 28, BCH 27 | Economics 41 1 point
11 hours ago
risk?
Sweet summer child...
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[–]FldLima 17 points 17 hours ago
As a crypto lover, I completely agree that the New RESTRICT Act needs
our attention. This bill, if passed, would not only give the
government unprecedented access to our data and procedures but would
also severely limit our ability to use VPNs and other tools to protect
our privacy.
Hope it flops hard
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[–]szertedTin 9 points 10 hours ago
Imagine banning VPN before assault weapons
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[–]LetsJustFuck321Tin 5 points 7 hours ago
What blows my mind is that RESTRICT is literally a duplicate of an
assault weapons ban, but for data and the internet. Even in it's
original use, "assault weapon" was extremely vague, and even back
during the Clinton admin it dealt almost entirely on how a weapon
looked. Some definitions of "assault weapon" have since included
things like (and I wish I was making this up) "anything that bears
resemblance an actual assault rifle, despite its function". The term
has since (partially) ditched the "ban things that look scary" and has
evolved to mean different things on different days depending on the
mood of the person using it, especially politicians. It now includes
~95% of all firearms, including some bolt action rifles and pump
shotguns.
People allow all this because they don't like guns, despite this
setting an extremely dangerous legal precedent. Don't like the
RESTRICT Act? Wait until bureaucratic agencies are allowed to simply
change the definitions of things in order to start totally bending
laws into the favor of power, without any Congressional oversight or
involvement from the Legislative Branch at all. This has already been
happening with the BATFE under both the Biden and Trump admins, and
also FASB Statement 56 which makes about 90% of the government's
spending to be allowed into the black budget by simply rationalizing
"national security".
It's as if there's a pattern here somewhere, hmm...
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 7 points 17 hours ago
It will as long as it doesn’t silently pass while we’re all sleeping.
Being loud shouldn’t be hard for us haha
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[–]mixing_sawsTin | GMEJungle 17 | Superstonk 23 1 point 13 hours ago
America is really going to shit. Good thing i dont live there.
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[–]Probably_notabotTin | CC critic 17 points 18 hours ago
Sounds like USA isn’t interested in free speech anymore. Patriot act
was the first step against it.
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[–]frozengrandmatetrisPlatinum | QC: BCH 160, XMR 53, CC 35 | IOTA 9 |
Privacy 13 6 points 8 hours ago
look around on this website. so many people here hate free speech with
a passion.
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[–]InsaneMcFriesPlatinum | QC: CC 256 3 points 15 hours ago
They see an exploitable sense of ignorance and divide in the people
and it’s going to be abused. The people need to come together and
fight up, not across the battle lines that have been drawn for us.
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[–]BountyBard 6 points 11 hours ago
This is a wake-up call for all of us, not only for the people in the
USA. If we don't stand up against the RESTRICT Act, we're paving the
way for further government intrusion into our lives. It's not just
about protecting crypto, it's about preserving our rights in the
digital age. Don't let this bill pass without a fight!
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[–]JeffWest01 42 points 17 hours ago
Get involved, write your Senators and Representatives. Here is a site
to easily email them: https://democracy.io/#!/
Here is a sample email from ChatGPT:
Subject: Vote NO on the RESTRICT Act
Dear [Representative’s Name],
I am writing to urge you to vote NO on the proposed RESTRICT Act. As
your constituent, I believe that this bill is harmful to our freedom
of speech, limits the Internet, and hinders economic growth.
While I agree that there are valid concerns with the security of
certain apps, a blanket ban is not the solution. TikTok has proven to
be a valuable platform for many people to share their talents,
creativity, and opinions.
Moreover, this bill goes too far in restricting our freedom of speech.
It would not only limit access to social media apps but also create a
dangerous precedent for the government to control what citizens can
and cannot say on the internet. It would have a chilling effect on
free expression, and I believe that it is unconstitutional.
Lastly, this bill would severely limit the Internet and hinder
economic growth. The Internet is an essential tool for innovation,
entrepreneurship, and commerce. The RESTRICT Act would impede access
to information, limit competition, and stifle innovation, making it
harder for small businesses and entrepreneurs to thrive.
In conclusion, I urge you to vote NO on the RESTRICT Act. While
security concerns are legitimate, a blanket ban on social media apps
is not the solution. We should not sacrifice our freedom of speech and
economic growth for the sake of an overly restrictive bill. Thank you
for your attention to this important matter.
Sincerely,
[Your Name]
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[–]elitesenseTin | Stocks 15 6 points 14 hours ago
Do not mention TikTok in a message like this!!!
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[–]TlMB0Tin 20 points 17 hours ago
Take out the shit about TikTok being good, and this would be a solid email.
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[–]franky_reboot 5 points 13 hours ago
Tiktok is a shady piece of hot garbage.
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[–]JeffWest01 11 points 17 hours ago
Totally agree.
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[–]SimbaTheWeaselBronze | QC: ALGO 18 4 points 13 hours ago
Oh, Imma steal this. Thank you friend.
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[–]szertedTin 5 points 10 hours ago
Not from US myself, but good stuff.
Many won't bother to do anything but it's for sure would be easier for
some after your comment 💚
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[–]Hawke64Platinum | QC: CC 199 1 point 15 hours ago
Sirs do the needful and contact your local president helper guy 🙏
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[–]ahabrakenI am non-fungible 9 points 18 hours ago
I think as a non-US resident I cant do anything, can I?
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 12 points 18 hours ago
You can spread awareness when you see people discussing it without
including all these extra passages. In r/technology and r/politics
it’s being talked about but it’s only recently people discovered how
far reaching it could be. The best you can do right now is educate the
ones who can participate in the political realm.
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[–]pnamepname 9 points 17 hours ago
/r/politics is a lost cause, it got taken over by political groups in
2016 and turned into a shillfest, I'd be very surprised if opposition
to this bill gained any traction there.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 3 points 16 hours ago
It actually has. I think this is one of those bills that if people
knew what was in it, there’d truly be no support. Hopefully it gets
tossed around more
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[–]pnamepname 1 point 5 hours ago
I can't see it there unfortunately, it's just full of the usual
delusional stuff - 'Donald Trump is promising the apocalypse' etc.
/r/technology is lacking too, I don't know why it's not being jumped
on. You'd expect such a thing to be pinned and a big push against it
like SOPA and whatever else,
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[–]DukiOn_Chit0Mus0lini 5 points 16 hours ago
Bribe the Democrat super PACs with money. Citizen's United lets
foreigners and foreign countries bribe our politicians.A suited whore,
$4 million mysterious generated income.
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[–]ahabrakenI am non-fungible 4 points 16 hours ago
So....if I dont have money there is nothing I can do, got it!
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[–]StrangelyBeigePlatinum | QC: CC 370, ATOM 17 | TraderSubs 12 9
points 18 hours ago
Is this just another avenue to get money to stave the inflation
crisis? That’s ultimately the goal right? I mean most of this is
victimless crime so who are they really protecting?
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[–]imbarrydylan 30 points 18 hours ago*
This is just all the same shit. This is to protect the rich and make
the poor poorer.
The middle class really is doomed on the long term.
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[–]peazleyTin 9 points 18 hours ago
The middle class doesn’t exist. It’s the Uber rich vs the rest of us plebs.
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[–]Hawke64Platinum | QC: CC 199 6 points 18 hours ago
Classic divide and conquer move
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[–]samzi87Bronze | QC: CC 19 6 points 18 hours ago
It is and it's not just an US phenomena, this shit is happening
worldwide and we should fight it.
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[–]kikilegends 1 point 15 hours ago
Where else in the world is this happening? And how's it
similar/different to here?
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[–]ApostleOfGoreTin | CC critic 5 points 18 hours ago
It’s a shame because tiktok is incredibly dangerous and should be
banned, but not like this
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[–]sarfianTin | ADA 8 0 points 16 hours ago
This is capitalism for you
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[–]amendment64Platinum | QC: BTC 85, CC 23 | TraderSubs 90 2 points 11
hours ago
This is the opposite of capitalism, this is literally the state
telling you who can and cannot do certain business
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[–]Calm-Cartographer677Cryptonaut 1 point 18 hours ago
Reverse Robin Hood uno card
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[–]Towryaalai 1 point 17 hours ago
People wonder why the gap between the rich and poor just keeps widening.
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[–]Right-Shopping9589 1 point 17 hours ago
They just want the poor to remain in the same circle
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[–]ZyriaNova 1 point 15 hours ago
The Matheus-effect as we know it.
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[–]Dannii_Divine 8 points 18 hours ago
I can't really get involved as a non us citizen as I am not familiar
with your other laws, legislation or legislation bodies and
procedures.
Having said that, anything like this that will likely have a knock on
affect in other countries is worrying to say the least 😳
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 6 points 18 hours ago
We can educate! Feel free to copypasta any of it!
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[–]Dannii_Divine 4 points 18 hours ago
And you are, thankfully. Being new I struggle to get my head around
most of crypto so shouldn't get too involved in things I know little
about lol
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[–]KappatalizablePlatinum | QC: CC 846 9 points 18 hours ago
Yeah Land of the Free my ass
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[–]eudezetPlatinum | QC: CC 27 | GMEJungle 6 | Superstonk 365 7 points
18 hours ago
Land of the free - as long as you're a billionaire and/or a politician
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[–]anotheralien22 7 points 18 hours ago
The land of the Free gets a little bit less free every day.
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[–]ForsoothPeople 9 points 17 hours ago
Looks like the government is trying to go from "live, laugh, love" to
"surveil, punish, control".
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[–]InsaneMcFriesPlatinum | QC: CC 256 2 points 15 hours ago
This is the American Dream now. A monstrous dystopian future is ready
to burst at the seams. This is so fucking sad
Welcome to the community lad 🙏
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[–]ForsoothPeople 3 points 15 hours ago
Corrupt politicians hate competition.
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[–]mdxgearTin | LRC 15 9 points 15 hours ago
Here’s the tl;dr version:
A new bill has been proposed in the US Senate, which is being compared
to the PATRIOT Act for the internet. The bill would give the
government broad powers to access people's data and procedures for
national security purposes and enforce these measures harshly. The
penalties for violating the law are severe, with fines up to
$1,000,000 or imprisonment for up to 20 years. The bill's wording is
so broad that using a VPN could also be considered a violation.
Critics see this as an attack on privacy and a potential threat to
cryptocurrencies. The bill's text is available on congress.gov, and
people are being urged to stay informed and vigilant about data bills
going forward.
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[–]bigshooTer39Platinum | QC: CC 29 | CRO 18 | GME subs 22 4 points 14
hours ago
Good bot
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[–]arcalusPlatinum | QC: CC 182 15 points 18 hours ago
If it was only tik tok being banned, no one could say it was bad.
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[–]giggitygoo123Tin 4 points 14 hours ago
Its being pushed as a tiktok ban since it means most people won't look
further into it and just let it happen.
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[–]arcalusPlatinum | QC: CC 182 1 point 14 hours ago
It reminds me of net neutrality. Where at the surface level everyone
would be for it, but when you read into it, it was actually horrible
for everyone but ISPs.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 4 points 18 hours ago
It couldn’t be that simple, it’s clearly not enough motive for politicians.
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[–]roamingandyPlatinum | QC: CC 15 | IOTA 5 | Futurology 14 4 points
16 hours ago
Every new bill is an opportunity to advance the agenda of their
backers for politicians. That's literally what 'riders' are, they are
normally totally unrelated to the subject of the original bill and
every bill is mostly made up of them.
How is that a sensible way to govern a nation?
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 3 points 16 hours ago
It isn’t. There’s too much money in politics and it needs to be
stopped. I don’t care what party, they both just want us as liquidity
pools.
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[–]lukekibsTin 1 point 16 hours ago
It’s disgusting actually we’re nothing but meat sacks that make them
money. Politicians and people in the government make way to much money
and just sit on their asses all day. They really don’t make any real
good changes for this country. Everything has been diluted generation
after generation because people in power have ruined it for us all.
The founding fathers would be enraged if they saw what this country
has turned into
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[–]Captain_HoytBronze 0 points 13 hours ago
If it was only tik tok being banned, no one could say it was bad.
Even that would be bad. Social media companies already have that data,
and they sell it to whoever wants it and has the money, including the
Chinese. This is a move by American social media companies to solidify
their own market position, being sold to us as "protecting us from the
Chinese".
The Chinese already have this data. We need protection from American
corporations who use our data.
Ban it from government devices? Sure, knock yourselves out. But the
rampant fear tactics are stupid (but we fall for it every time).
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[–]arcalusPlatinum | QC: CC 182 0 points 12 hours ago
I think you’re uneducated on the spying that the app does. Every
minute of additional data is a risk to individuals and government.
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[–]Captain_HoytBronze 0 points 6 hours ago*
I'm not saying it's good. I'm saying it does the same things that
other social media platforms do. If the fear is about data getting
into the 'wrong hands', our data is getting into those wrong hands
every single day thanks to American companies -- who willingly sell it
to the same people we're afraid of with TikTok.
So we've established that it's all the same data, it all gets in the
hands of the same people, whether it's TikTok or FB, or InstaGram, or
whatever. Is the fear about propaganda? I'll give you a little
challenge -- for every minute of Chinese propaganda you find on TikTok
aimed at Americans, I'll bet you that I can find 100 minutes of
American propaganda aimed at Americans on FB.
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[–]arcalusPlatinum | QC: CC 182 0 points 5 hours ago
No, it doesn’t do the same thing that other social media companies do.
Other social media companies are absolutely horrible, don’t get me
wrong, but they are doing a minuscule subset of privacy invasions
compared to Tik Tok.
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[–]Captain_HoytBronze 0 points 5 hours ago
Nonsense.
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[–]arcalusPlatinum | QC: CC 182 0 points 5 hours ago
Try babbling your TikTok shill to someone who isn’t a software engineer.
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[–]Captain_HoytBronze 0 points 5 hours ago
Feel free to tell us all about what TikTok does, then.
Tell us why FB and the others don't.
Get to it.
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[–]arcalusPlatinum | QC: CC 182 0 points 5 hours ago
It’s your funeral, so to speak (or your countries software, I should
probably say): https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep26120.7?socuuid=22c1fbc8-66f1-4bc6-80ee-73953f2cc359
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[–]Captain_HoytBronze 2 points 3 hours ago
Well, I read what you sent, which
1) Supports nothing that you said
2) Does not show anything about what their software is doing that's so
different from other social media platforms
3) Only expresses a fear that it could lead to China getting a hold of
our data -- which, as mentioned before, they can get anyway, by simply
purchasing the user data collected by the American companies.
I expected to see something from you (being a software engineer, as
you say) that would demonstrate what TikTok software is doing. No such
response has materialized.
So, as of this writing, my conclusion would be that you don't know
what their software is actually doing, and that software engineers are
just as likely to fall for propaganda as anyone else.
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[–]franky_reboot 1 point 13 hours ago
So much this.
The US doing its best about Tiktok - questionable about the rest though.
Even ITSEC experts opposing the US government agree about Tiktok being shady.
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[–]RestorativeMenagerie 8 points 18 hours ago
Why do you need a vpn for crypto? I'm new here.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 4 points 18 hours ago
You don’t unless crypto is banned. It has been the long hailed trump
card to governments banning crypto, came up a lot the last time the
CCP banned crypto. They stated they could see who was using a VPN but
not what they were doing, and I’m sure this worried US Legislators.
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[–]InsaneMcFriesPlatinum | QC: CC 256 2 points 15 hours ago
Open your vault friend. On mobile top right > Vault. Keep your
seedphrase and password safe. Welcome to the community. 🙏
This bill is an atrocity.
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[–]February_Forever 2 points 12 hours ago
You should be using a VPN anyway as a basic network security practice.
Think of if you just left a bowl of cash in front of your house. Most
people would probably just walk by without noticing, but someone would
take the money.
However, if you put the bowl of money inside of your house, it would
be MUCH less likely that someone would take the money. The VPN is the
door. Sure, someone could still go through the door and find your bowl
of money, but it is an extra layer of security that takes an extra
amount of effort to access your internet activities.
TL;DR - Use a VPN
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[–]haunted-liver-1Tin | Privacy 19 2 points 12 hours ago
In the US, you should use a VPN for everything. ISPs have the right to
sell all your internet activity.
You might not want all the hackers out there to know that you have
crypto. Or for health insurance companies to know what sites you
visit.
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[–]frozengrandmatetrisPlatinum | QC: BCH 160, XMR 53, CC 35 | IOTA 9 |
Privacy 13 2 points 8 hours ago
people in the US can't interact with sideshift at all unless they use
a VPN, and they can't interact with 1inch through the web frontend
unless they use a VPN.
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[–]iExtrapolate217Bronze | 4 months old | QC: ETH 16 7 points 14 hours ago
$1,000,000 for using a VPN?
Do these people know what a VPN is?
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[–]BrocoliAssassinSilver | QC: BTC 218, CC 105 | CelsiusNet. 25 1
point 8 hours ago
I'm guessing it's life in prison for using Tails OS.
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[–]iExtrapolate217Bronze | 4 months old | QC: ETH 16 1 point 7 hours ago
Definitely, they probably "this is spaaaarta" you into a giant pit
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[–]BrocoliAssassinSilver | QC: BTC 218, CC 105 | CelsiusNet. 25 1
point 6 hours ago
Encryption? Straight to jail. Tails? Straight to jail. VPN? 1,000,000
or jail, you pick.
USA Government spying illegally on it's citizens? Black hole budget!
And jail for as many people as humanly possible.
These private prisons aren't going to make all the profit themselves!
Then they can also get more people to enlist.
Oh I see hear you might be looking at 5 years for PGP. We can make
that go away if you just sign only 4 years of your life away.
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[–]iExtrapolate217Bronze | 4 months old | QC: ETH 16 2 points 6 hours ago
This is /r/cryptocurrency not /r/USD
Straight to jail!
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[–]BrocoliAssassinSilver | QC: BTC 218, CC 105 | CelsiusNet. 25 1
point 6 hours ago
Talk about /r/cryptocurrency in /r/USD ?
Entire family goes to jail!
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[–]BringerofsalvationPlatinum | QC: CC 96 13 points 18 hours ago
Damn , America doesn’t seem to be heading in a healthy direction with
all this shit.
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[–]gethereddoutSilver | QC: CC 119 | ADA 70 | Politics 70 9 points 15 hours ago
We’re already in the bad place. The Patriot Act was awful- removed
most of our basic civil rights anywhere near a border, which is most
of the country. Our democracy is dead and the country is essentially
run by a cartel
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[–]NathhfhTin | 3 months old 7 points 17 hours ago
Entering the emo Surveillance State phase
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[–]Hawke64Platinum | QC: CC 199 3 points 15 hours ago
America wasn't exactly in a healthy state to begin with
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[–]SimbaTheWeaselBronze | QC: ALGO 18 1 point 13 hours ago
America doesn't care about freedom.
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[–]JayReydBronze | QC: CC 24 6 points 19 hours ago
Legislation coming from all angles
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 14 points 19 hours ago
This one is pure fascism. If it passes I’m out of this country. 20
year in jail for pirating an old unavailable Gamecube game could be
argued under this bill.
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[–]JayReydBronze | QC: CC 24 6 points 19 hours ago
States are getting crazy
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[–]lullaby876Bronze | QC: CC 15 | SHIB 177 6 points 16 hours ago
I told people this would happen for years. They just told me 'the
internet is too big to be governed' and scoffed at me. I believe the
US will slowly turn into an authoritarian country under the guise of a
democratic republic. A lot of citizens kept pushing for regulation on
crypto, for social media, for everything.. and they got want they
wanted. It's not a radical statement to say that too many of our
people will not only do nothing to stop the betrayal of their liberty,
but actively encourage it, because that is what they have been
conditioned to do. Just think of how many people buy unquestioningly
into the concept of the two-party system, never stopping to think of
the atrocities committed by either side for the same goals.
Leaders' desire to control is not 'for our own good', even if it
started out that way. It's not a conspiracy theory anymore that all
rights to liberty have a paper trail and trace back to money and
power. The government WILL control your every action. They will
imprison you for any reason whatsoever. And they are bigger than your
little votes will ever dictate.
Mark my words.
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[–]SeisouhenPlatinum | QC: CC 57, BTC 52 6 points 16 hours ago
They claim it's for our protection, but we all know that it's really for...
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[–]Fritz1818 5 points 15 hours ago
We're in China levels of overreach if this passes
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[–]sjshady0169Platinum | QC: CC 35 | ModeratePolitics 21 14 points 17 hours ago
The US is slowly morphing into China and most people don't even realize it.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 6 points 16 hours ago
It’s kind of wild how nationalism became a party-free arguing point.
For so long the left touted it poorly yet here’s a democrat with this
bill. Wish either side gave a fuck
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[–]iExtrapolate217Bronze | 4 months old | QC: ETH 16 2 points 14 hours ago
If China filters the TikTok feed for their own political gain, that
would be no different than what the US was doing with Twitter
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[–]Elie0_0 1 point 15 hours ago
Every country's biggest fear, being like China lol
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[–]JayFab6061Platinum | QC: CC 215, ETH 26, BTC 15 11 points 17 hours ago
shakes my head in XMR
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 8 points 17 hours ago
XMR could be seen as evasion
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[–]giddyup281Platinum | QC: CC 1135 | r/CMS 6 | Technology 12 4 points
12 hours ago
It IS seen as evasion.
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[–]InsaneMcFriesPlatinum | QC: CC 256 3 points 15 hours ago
We seem to have evaded our keys in a boating accident though, sorry!
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 6 points 15 hours ago
How do you plan to sell it? Plus this would make that attempt at
evasion much more costly if any fail.
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[–]franky_reboot -1 points 13 hours ago
I'm afraid nobody dares to touch a blockchain ecosystem riddled with
botnets this much.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 6 points 18 hours ago
EDIT: Made sure to add the giant bill so you could read it for
yourselves. Information is power, Cryptofiends.
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[–]mishaog 4 points 18 hours ago
People are so stupid that their simple hate towards TikTok blinds
them. South Park explain it pretty well during the Family Guys
episodes, and believe me it's true. If they allow you to ban it one
time then what's stopping them to do it again, what's stopping them to
say that X should be banned, using their most beloved word "terrorism"
and "Spy" two words Americans love to hear, they are easily convinced
with those. Eventually they can throw it anywhere.
I think they don't know but twitter was heavily censored, they
censored "fake news" but those fake news are whatever they feel like,
like the compromising info on Biden sons computer or more stupid shit.
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[–]TittaDiGirolamoPlatinum | QC: CC 169 5 points 18 hours ago
Once more I'm happy to live in Italy :)
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[–]y90210Platinum | QC: BTC 47 | Stocks 99 4 points 18 hours ago
Some other countries have far saner law making. They describe the law
but also what the law is designed to target and fix. That way you
can't misspply it against something it wasn't designed for. Also all
laws have expiration dates, which forces them to renew it if it's
still needed. You don't have to fight to clean up old laws
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[–]InsaneMcFriesPlatinum | QC: CC 256 1 point 15 hours ago
You planning on opening a vault mate?
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[–]Antoine_K 5 points 17 hours ago
Gonna wish you American lads some good luck here. Don't fall for the
right vs left nonsense and voice your concerns to your politicians.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 5 points 17 hours ago
Thank you. As an Oklahoman I can say it’s just too normal to hate
these days. Good luck to you and your own.
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[–]redbullandranchTin 5 points 17 hours ago*
It did have a lot of phrases that could possibly lead to crypto
seizures. Like "Open source software" and "cloud computing" plus they
keep mentioning "transactions" which im not totally sure what they are
referring to. Make Tik-Tok the bad guy to get it passed and then
require to hand over all your crypto. Just like they did with gold in
the 70s
Edit: Here's another:
(I) A group, subgroup, or other association or organization whether or
not organized for profit.
(And it states above it either IN or out of the USA)
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[–]VeludoVeludoPlatinum | QC: CC 118 6 points 17 hours ago
The land of the non-free and the home of the easily spooked.
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[–]salty-boisPlatinum | TraderSubs 12 5 points 17 hours ago
We need to be very honest with ourselves and our investments in crypto
- the possibility of crypto (CBDCs not included, of course) being
regulated out of existence is real, maybe not entirely likely but
possible.
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[–]coinsRus-2021Silver | QC: CC 52 | ADA 222 | TraderSubs 11 4 points
16 hours ago
Yo keep posting this stuff. This stuff needs spread. I can not stand
the way our government operates and they'll take any moment they can
to seize more power from us.
This should make everyone's blood boil - unfortunately it does not
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[–]coinsRus-2021Silver | QC: CC 52 | ADA 222 | TraderSubs 11 5 points
16 hours ago
THIS BILL IS NOT TO BAN TIK TOK, IT IS TO PUT A COLLAR ON THE
INTERNET. IF THIS PASSES, WIDESPREAD ADOPTION IS NOT ONLY GONE FOREVER
FOR THE US BUT IT’LL CONSTRICT GENERATIONS TO COME FROM BREAKING
THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT’S FASCISTIC WAY OF DISCERNING WHO AMONG US ARE
CRIMINALS BY OUR DATA.
Keep going - screw these clowns
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[–]Thunder_WaspSilver | QC: CC 36 | CRO 185 | ExchSubs 186 4 points 16
hours ago
I'll write my reps but unfortunately I live in a one party state so my
representative/senators' assistants haven't even bothered responding
to me in at least the last five years. Democracy is dead where I live.
Hopefully in purple states they will give a shit.
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[–]Choice-Season3378 3 points 8 hours ago
Tell them you are not a member of their party but during the next
primary elections you will join their party just to vote for their
opponent if they vote to support the bill.
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[–]J-96788-EUPlatinum | QC: CC 33 4 points 16 hours ago
Is this only in the United States of America?
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 2 points 15 hours ago
Other bills have been introduced in Baltic states but that’s all I’ve
seen. It’s a broadly discussed topic since the exponential climb of
ransomware attacks and data breaches happening for the last decade.
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[–]EmicraniaTin 4 points 15 hours ago
This is basically patriot act 2.0 backed by the looming inflation and
FTX fiasco, that embarrassed some politician.
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[–]Inbeforetheclose1234Tin | ADA 6 | Superstonk 58 3 points 14 hours ago
I agree 100% with the op. However theres more than one argument to
this story. There are bad and nefarious actors that that look to
expolit and do harm onto others just look at the majority of crypto,
99% of it is a ponzi/scam. So no wonder they want to impose harsh
rules/laws. FTX,Celcius, Luna, binance, money laundering, terrorism
funding etc.
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[–]WrathOfPaul84Tin 4 points 14 hours ago
This has a good chance of getting struck down in the courts but who
knows how long it would take to get to the SCOTUS if it were passed.
You know it's bad when both Democrats and Republicans are sponsoring
it. the one thing both sides can agree on is restricting our rights
and freedoms. It's going to drive a lot of people into the dark web.
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[–]lunar2solarPlatinum | QC: CC 327, ETH 56, XMR 39 | TraderSubs 39 5
points 3 hours ago
This is the American empire in its truest form. They are an
authoritarian state that has robbed and pillaged the third world for
decades and now they're coming for you.
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[–]linaustin5Platinum | QC: CC 16 | r/WSB 105 1 point 1 hour ago
they don't want us to get airdrops those bastards
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[–]EdgeLord19941 19 points 19 hours ago
Every day I'm more glad I don't live in the US
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[–]BonbuX 17 points 19 hours ago
Still the US influences all the markets.
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[–]Ben_Dover1234Bronze | QC: CC 18 11 points 18 hours ago
The US influences all of the markets but it doesn't have that much of
an impact on foreign law making which I am grateful for.
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[–]Hawke64Platinum | QC: CC 199 9 points 18 hours ago*
But the rest of the world can still use VPNs and do self custody
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 4 points 18 hours ago
This bill would ban VPN with a 20 year penalty, please read it
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[–]OoghaPlatinum | VET 11 7 points 17 hours ago
It would still only effect Americans
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 1 point 17 hours ago
I’m curious, how much of the crypto market cap is American?
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[–]OoghaPlatinum | VET 11 3 points 17 hours ago
Impossible to say really, probably one of the reasons they want to cut it off.
The current crypto market cap is miniscule regardless.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 2 points 16 hours ago
I wouldn’t say that. BTC is worth as much as major companies if not
more than some of the biggest giants. Even so, this would affect them
and their stock price as well. This would quell the entire world
market and trust me that’s good for no one. Globalization may be
hectic but it is far more profitable and beneficial for those that
contribute to it.
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[–]OoghaPlatinum | VET 11 0 points 14 hours ago
Btc mcap is 500ish million, the fed just shit that much out last week
in loans to banks.
A LOT of crypto mcaps are extremely over inflated for what usage they
provide. Or their tvl.
A huge % of actual crypto market cap is simply due to speculation and
hopium, my bags included.
These big corps with 500 mil mcaps have those for a reason, they
actually provide something.
Don't get me wrong, I'm super pro crypto and I think/hope that it will
become mainstream, but to think the government is worried about its
size is kind of silly imo.
They are worried about its potential, and it's ability to distrust tradfi.
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[–]jesus0815Tin 2 points 12 hours ago
Billions.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 1 point 14 hours ago
I agree with most of that but this bill affects more than crypto for
sure. I’m more worried about their written in ability to continue
amending this bill and it’s current language how they please and the
effects that will inevitably ripple into the biggest companies in our
nation, Tech Giants. If it’s not the infrastructural logistics that’ll
cost, it’ll be the liability and innovation stifle. I just don’t get
how this is anything but an embargo. This could seriously regress the
internet and all of its best features.
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[–]UrektMazinoBronze 1 point 17 hours ago
Quite a significant amount i would guess, but if such a thing would
pass the most important actors would simply move abroad.
Now i'm not American, but if i was a whale and such a thing would pass
in my country you can bet i'll gladly take a plane for and get the
fuck off, the one who will be forced out are the small fishes, still a
good amount of market cap i would guess but as in fiat, the big fishes
are the ones that control most of the market
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[–]Doctor_FritzI have no idea what I'm doing 1 point 18 hours ago
If they are going to start restricting internet use could be there
will be no market left to manipulate in the end
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[–]RemingtonSnatchTin | ModeratePolitics 55 1 point 16 hours ago
Dunno where you live, but the US is hardly on the leading edge of
regulatory overreach among its peers. If this were to pass, places
like the Commonwealth countries and the EU would only be appalled that
they got beat to the punch.
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[–]Legitimate_Suit_3431 3 points 18 hours ago
Welcome to the club. Our country are working hard ofor full internett
surveillance, while talking about how bad TikTok is for snooping
around
We have one 3 letter thingy having access to everything, but they want to expand
This will end so good, having a huge server with all the information
on every citizen can't go wrong.. right ?
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[–]Odysseus_Lannister 3 points 17 hours ago
Didn’t they already try to do this with net neutrality?
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 3 points 17 hours ago
>From what I’ve gathered net neutrality was more of a proactive measure
that lost steam.
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[–]JayFab6061Platinum | QC: CC 215, ETH 26, BTC 15 3 points 17 hours ago
Between this and the FEDNOW CBDC I’m so ready to move my family outta the US
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[–]SeriousGainsSilver | QC: BTC 46, CC 19 | TRX 67[🍰] 3 points 17 hours ago
They divert attention and make you focus on things that don’t affect
you so you ignore the things that will, “oh hey look at that
basketball player made a basket at the last second!”, “oh hey look
that guy you hate is going to get arrested!”, “oh look at who this
celebrity was seen holding hands with!”
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[–]reagleshamBAN Fan 3 points 17 hours ago
The US government continues to fly the flag of freedom while crushing
its people under its boot. Disgraceful.
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[–]AcademicMistake 3 points 16 hours ago
Surely there is some computer engineering wizz who can create a
alternate internet that isnt controlled by the elites...
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 2 points 16 hours ago
There could theoretically be but it would have to entail a new network
that could reroute. This could be Elon’s new selling point for
Starlink. Only problem is starting from scratch would be incredibly
difficult to maintain/continue building and I can imagine you’d be
hunted forever by most every government. Even then they could develop
tracking and enforce those using so, risky play in the environment of
a bill like this.
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[–]AcademicMistake 3 points 16 hours ago
But what about something similar to Helium ? They just use devices to
create a "network" or "Proof of coverage". Someone can build something
similar im sure, it just takes time.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 2 points 15 hours ago
Surely. The line exists and a shadow could emerge. My only problem is
if they find you using this new network, would it be like the war on
drugs? Where a single gram of weed gets your house stormed? I mean
theoretically they could make a case like Tornado cash where if you
use this network you’re basically a criminal. If so I’m sure they’d
use other laws with this one to slap down people circumnavigating.
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[–]AcademicMistake 3 points 15 hours ago
I see your point but how would they know who owns them ? They arent
going to knock on doors and inspect peoples houses
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 2 points 15 hours ago
I’m assuming through node tracking. They’ve put feds on silk road, I’m
sure this new network would have a couple agents participating if they
heard the whispers. Is there a way to block tracking even if you’re
one of those participating in consensus?
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[–]AcademicMistake 1 point 13 hours ago
Well it only works off a active internet connection(helium crypto) so
technically yes you can track via ip address but im saying if a new
device is made that utilises the power cables from house to house, im
sure it could work to not include tracking etc
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[–]Grilledcheesus96 3 points 15 hours ago*
Legitimate question: What does this bill add that the Patriot Act
didn’t already give them the power to do? The Patriot Act gave them
access to all of your data to prosecute you already.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 3 points 15 hours ago
It allows them to enforce it online. That’s pretty much it. It gives
way to use it less as a medium and more as national infrastructure
when interacting with data.
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[–]KnaeggebrottTin 3 points 15 hours ago
I couldn't care less about Tiktok.
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[–]djugglerTin 0 points 11 hours ago
Do you care about an overly oppressive government?
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[–]KnaeggebrottTin 2 points 11 hours ago
are you talking about China or the USA?
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[–]djugglerTin 1 point 4 hours ago
China is not passing the RESTRICT Act
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[–]LelouchViBriTin 3 points 14 hours ago
Who are the architect's of thus monstrosity, and why aren't they being
named and shamed 24/7
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[–]Roy_PlayzPlatinum | QC: CC 53 | CelsiusNet. 15 | MiningSubs 47 3
points 13 hours ago
I think we should be honest here. Does the government probably already
have departments that operate like this and act in an invasive nature?
YES. This is just their way of covering their asses by letting you
know: "Hey we're putting this into official legislation that dictates
that we can do whatever the fuck we want and be as invasive as we want
with your data". Is this wrong? 100% it is. But you cannot look at me
with a straight face and tell me some dark agency or team in the NSA,
FBI, Darpa don't already do this/ have the tech to do so.
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[–]SwoopscooterPlatinum | QC: CC 23 | PoliticalHumor 48 3 points 11 hours ago
The lawyer jargon is so thick that it's very difficult to read and
comprehend. It's intentionally vaguely specific about what one person
shall not do.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 3 points 10 hours ago
My concern is the ability to add to this bill later. Sure a lot of it
target foreign entities but it makes clear that even economic
efficiency could be a reason to invoke it. That’s just ridiculous to
me
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[–]timerac3r7Tin 3 points 6 hours ago
Yo, guys. Your country is falling. Maybe you should do something about
that, because it will have a rippling effect around the world.
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[–]H__DresdenSilver | QC: CC 48 | Buttcoin 63 | JusticeServed 66 5
points 18 hours ago
Tik Tok is a CCP spy tool. That app has never touched my phone or
computer. Fuck the CCP!
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 1 point 18 hours ago
Did you read it?
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[–]H__DresdenSilver | QC: CC 48 | Buttcoin 63 | JusticeServed 66 2
points 18 hours ago
Yeah. I don’t see that bill passing as is. Many revisions will be done
and it still has to pass chambers and the Senate level along with
President signing it.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 2 points 17 hours ago
That’s what they say about every bill. As a guy who’s worked with
vaping, one by one those bills are now in place. The only thing
they’re missing is enforcement. Idk I used not worry about politics
but after the last decade I’ve seen enough. I don’t think I can afford
to be misinformed.
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[–]H__DresdenSilver | QC: CC 48 | Buttcoin 63 | JusticeServed 66 3
points 17 hours ago
Always good to stay informed. I contact my representatives when needed
to relay my thoughts. I have been a voter for the last few decades.
Representatives listen to party officials, political activists, and
long term voters.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 2 points 16 hours ago
Hell yeah! I had to learn it quick. They’re awfully good at being
quiet at just the right times.
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[–]ItsAllJustASickGameSilver | QC: CC 64 | LRC 16 | Superstonk 403 5
points 16 hours ago
I wrote to my senator. Fuck this country, man. It makes me sick that
people would even propose legislation like this. They're traitors if
you ask me.
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[–]Fantastic-Mango4799Tin | LRC 25 5 points 18 hours ago
Isn't this just legalising the government access that was highlighted
in the twitter files releases? The horse has already bolted on this
one.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 1 point 15 hours ago
Can you educate me on that? I’m ignorant
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[–]kirtash93The Ash Ketchum of Crypto | Gotta Catch 'Em All 3 points
18 hours ago
Businesses live in US, not people.
When you realize this, everything makes sense.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 1 point 18 hours ago
We should all just register our names as LLC and use them like VPNs.
Maybe if we all used the loophole it’d finally close?
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[–]Crash04639Tin 4 points 18 hours ago
I'm all for banning TikTok, but this bill is not the way to do it. Of
course, they're using TikTok as a cover for doing more nefarious
things.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 1 point 18 hours ago
Yeah. TikTok is clearly a problem they think they can’t control
through regulation without spearheading it with the full power of the
US government. That’s just wrong. We could easily pass measures that
restrict outsourcing of data to foreign servers, but that’s not what
any of these bills say.
Edit after further thought: This would be bad wording too. Technically
crypto is data so any bill mentioning data will have my attention now.
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[–]aleisate843 1 point 5 hours ago
This bill includes gaming applications too. Anyone who loves their
games, Riot is owned by Tenecent in China so watch that get restricted
too. As well any communication apps such as WeChat for family members
in the US who want to communicate over seas.
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[–]Comprehensive-Ad3963Tin | Unpop.Opin. 15 2 points 16 hours ago
I just read an analysis of the bill:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/two-new-bills-tiktok-and-beyond-data-act-and-restrict-act
While it may be poorly worded, it sounds like this bill basically just
says “don’t let China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. access personal data
or information that is useful for harming the national security
interests of the US.” The government wouldn’t care if you used a VPN
as long as you’re not giving the US’s adversaries the information they
want.
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[–]monoimionomBronze | QC: CC 18 1 point 9 hours ago
Thanks for another perspective!
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[–]MasterLogic 3 points 16 hours ago
Tik tok and all forms of social media being banned would probably make
the world a better place. The 80s and 90s was such a fucking awesome
time to be alive.
Definitely gone down hill since the 2000s with everyone staring at a
screen all day. Even children at kindergarten have a phone now.
And the government have always had access to your data, vpns just make
it harder to track you down. Criminals still get caught if they are
big enough.
Even reddit stores and sells your data, and now you have a vault they
have access to your wallets that're linked to it, as well as what you
visit on here.
Even your 5 second snapchats are stored for ai to practice on.
There's never been any privacy online, never.
Vpns and downloading content has always been illegal, since the
napstar days. You can get 20 years for downloading a game already,
it's just not worth the legal cost to do it.
This bill won't change that. They aren't going to come after you for
downloading a snes rom from China.
It's just a legal rewording of current laws.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 1 point 15 hours ago
I think it’s a regression which it sounds like you’d enjoy. I don’t
mean it as insult, everyone’s different. I enjoy the online world as
someone who’s grown up with and without it. For me in the midwest it
was paramount to learning. I had good enough grades to let me do what
I wanted, but the problem was the curriculum taught me bare minimums
and the internet was my best teacher.
What I’m getting to here is that I know this bill would target hostile
governments seeking to destabilize America; however I’m concerned that
the wording of data needs to be defined. Which data? Transaction data,
government data, healthcare data, or personal data? Even these are too
broad. If it’s too broad we could cut off participation for decades
and I don’t believe this solves the real problem.
For example, what’s to stop a foreign entity from just buying data
service in the US from a currently marked “friendly country?” If it’s
just data outflows that are limited, which is still concerning to me
in reference to trade and education, then couldn’t they just come here
and inflow data? It just seems naive and short sighted when the
reality is if they want to target a hostile entity, do so.
I’m sick and tired of our government passing sweeping bills using a
boogeyman. If there’s a danger, fix it. If there’s a bad actor, find
ways to discover them. I don’t see the benefit from passing a bill for
every hostile country if it’s truly only mainly targeting one company.
Example, Tarkov, a popular game my coworker plays would cease to
exist. Unnecessary to say the least.
If you have more info or passages to correct me please let me know.
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[–]asmallman 3 points 10 hours ago
Im posting this here because I read more than a few cherry picked
things in the bill that tiktok (which is chinese owned and will be
affected by this bill, IE lose money, so they are trying to stop it
from passing)
Gonna make another comment to summarize this bill since I have
actually bothered reading it and going through the legal jargon.
This prevents the current listed foreign adversaries to have
controlling interests (IE ownership or a percentage of the
company/product that allows them to make actual decisions in how the
company/product does things)
These adversaries are: The People's Republic of China, including the
Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (China); Republic of Cuba
(Cuba); Islamic Republic of Iran (Iran); Democratic People's Republic
of Korea (North Korea); Russian Federation (Russia); and Venezuelan
politician Nicolás Maduro (Maduro Regime).
This bill would prevent things that have already occured such as:
TikTok overcollecting data, running unsigned code, and sending it to
china, and also pushing... .questionable chinese propoganda.
Huawei installing rigged 5G towers that have actual spy equipment on
them to spy on US government installations. And also making phones
with actual backdoors for the CCP on their international cell models.
These things have happened.
This bill is to legitimately try to stop this.
This bill will only affect you if you WILLINGLY go against it, and try
to communicate or use apps that are controlled by a foreign adversary
listed here, and knowingly do so. IE you have INTENT to fuck with the
US government. And it targets companies/large entities more so than
the average general person. Looking at this bill, I dont see how it
will affect me at all besides getting annoying spam from friends who
use this TEMU app out of china that gives them free money (lmao, youre
being paid for your data) and a large reduction in tiktok memes, and I
dont even use the app because of what has been found out about it. The
US is trying to stop active and current security breaches because of
the shit china is pulling with UNITED STATES COMPANIES. (Such as
blizzard, or riot games for exampl). So it will affect gamers but it
deletes all of the chinese spyware out of your software.
For example, remember how Tencent owns 10% of blizzard, and how that
one guy from hong kong lost his prize money that he rightfully earned?
Its because TENCENT got offended, and has controlling stake in
blizzard and MADE them redact the money. This bill will stop china
from having companies making decisions on chinas behalf.
TL;DR this is a sanction essentially on the countries or people listed
above from screwing with US companies or hardware to spy on people.
And people who assist them in doing so knowingly will be in trouble.
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[–]WhoJeeWhammer 2 points 5 hours ago
IF that is the intent of the bill then it should be reworded to target
those things more specifically, without including vague language that
could be conveniently/accidentally misinterpreted by
corrupt/incompetent govt officials.
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[–]John_Terra 2 points 3 hours ago
You just casually ignore the fact that an unelected official,
Secretary of Commerce, can change the foreign adversary list as they
see fit.
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[–]monoimionomBronze | QC: CC 18 1 point 9 hours ago
Thanks for an alternative perspective.
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[–]hominidnumber9Tin 1 point 3 hours ago
🤦
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[–]content_enjoy3r 2 points 11 hours ago
It'd be real cool if you quit spreading misinformation. VPN is not
mentioned in the bill and the average VPN user is not interfering with
elections or threatening national security so they have nothing to
worry about.
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[–]TOXICCARBYPlatinum | QC: CC 160 2 points 18 hours ago
TikTok should be banned, but not through the passing of this bill
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[–]Bizzle_worldwideBronze | QC: CC 20 | Buttcoin 13 | Politics 216 1
point 16 hours ago
This is a bit disingenuous. All of the above things you’ve pointed out
are only in effect if they’re owned by or under the direct or indirect
control of a “Foreign Adversary”, specifically at this time, China,
Russia, Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, and North Korea.
They also only take effect if the service in question has more than 1
million American users.
So your VPN example? Only applicable if it’s a Chinese VPN, and only
if that Chinese VPN has over 1000000 American users. I for one would
question why you’re using a Chinese VPN at all, and whether you think
that’s a genuinely safe privacy mechanism.
I’m not saying the bill is good. It’s still problematic for a few
other reasons. But it’s currently more targeted than you’re
describing, and more focused on preventing foreign non-ally ownership
and economic benefits of systems that Americans might use. In effect,
it’s a protectionism bill for IT services.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 4 points 16 hours ago
I admit openly at the end I’d love more info so I’m glad you
commented. My concern is the peripheral of the bill. If I send crypto
through a VPN to an exchange that’s no problem, but I worry about the
scope of trade and network of crypto. China still runs nodes for BTC
to this day, so at what point are they going to see that as data?
I guess my biggest concerns are that I couldn’t find examples of clear
definition of data and which specific circumstances that it could be
favorably applied or enforced. They do seem targeted but so did the
Patriot Act, and any attack on online freedoms I feel is regressive.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on the technicalities if you’ve spotted
wording that’ll help me.
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[–]Mand125Tin 2 points 16 hours ago
You’re concerned about attacks on your freedoms from a bill that
prevents you from using Chinese-owned infrastructure.
You have bigger issues than this bill if you think this is such an
unconscionable restriction on your freedom.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 2 points 15 hours ago
This wouldn’t be the first time. FBI lending police forces
surveillance tools that obviously violate the fourth amendment,
suppression in protests, or as has been stated many times the Patriot
Act.
It’s not just China. I’ll use Tarkov, a popular game my coworker plays
as an example. From what I understand those servers are in Russia.
This would restrict that as just a casualty of broadly written passage
too as well, right?
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[–]Mand125Tin 2 points 14 hours ago
Sure, shady crap has been done in the past, but none of that is in this bill.
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[–]Bizzle_worldwideBronze | QC: CC 20 | Buttcoin 13 | Politics 216 2
points 12 hours ago
Nothing here restricts anything by default. Under the bill,
Battlestate Games would qualify as a Covered Entity. So regardless of
where their servers are located, the bill is applicable to their games
if more than 1 million Americans play them in a given year.
(I don’t know if that applied to Tarkov).
However, the bill does nothing by default. What it lays out is that,
if a service becomes a Covered Transaction, it lays out the mechanism
by which the government can review it and bar its use, if it’s
determined to be a national security concern. If all of that happens,
then failure to abide by the ban has its penalties laid out as well.
So, as with everything, you have to ask whether you think it’s
realistic that a congressional committee will be formed to review
Escape from Tarkov, a small online game with 400k global daily users,
and decide that it poses a risk to national security.
And if you do think that’s likely, why? What argument do you foresee
being made to that effect? Is there any merit to those arguments?
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 2 points 12 hours ago
I see it’s likely to be an issue for Crypto specifically because the
wording even defines “security or reliability” so it’s broadly worded
there. Also because of the regulatory actions so far have concerned me
towards crypto. I’ve seen a president and a state misuse “eminent
domain” laws, I’ve seen federal agencies and local PD abuse the
patriot, and I’ve seen countless fraud abuse the COVID bills as well.
Our government broadly describing offenses yet enforcing “applicably”
has been historically a bad choice for legislation in my opinion.
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[–]Bizzle_worldwideBronze | QC: CC 20 | Buttcoin 13 | Politics 216 3
points 11 hours ago
I mean, it will definitely be used against Crypto. But my question is
why that’s a bad thing, I guess.
If 1 million Americans are using a crypto exchange or service run by a
Russian company that, upon review, someone wants to make an argument
has national security concerns, should Americans really be using it?
Why not use a similar non-Russian service? Or a similar service run by
a company operating in a non-sanctioned country in general?
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[–]KINK_KINGTin 1 point 16 hours ago
Oh look, someone actually read the bill. Thank you for being the first
adult in this thread.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 3 points 16 hours ago
What wording have you found that protects crypto users from normal
interactions? It’s technically data and if it’s hosted (through node
consensus) in China, could that be technically enforced? My issue is
regulating the VPN as well considering political allies and enemies
are not so far apart. Who decides? Are Saudi’s allowed even with all
the problems that has caused?
I think it’s just naive of me to say it will be enforced fairly or
that it won’t be false flagged into more controlling circumstances as
the “Weapons of mass destruction” headline was used to justify being
in every country that we were. It’s important to me that we scope the
peripheral of this bill and its possible effects.
If you have an passages that can educate me please let me know.
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[–]wziyo dawg 3 points 12 hours ago*
What wording have you found that protects crypto users from normal
interactions?
The entirety of §3.a. Like, did you even read the bill? Let's put on
our thinking caps on and work through each subpoint:
> (1) poses an undue or unacceptable risk of—
> (A) sabotage or subversion of the design, integrity, manufacturing, production, distribution, installation, operation, or maintenance of information and communications technology products and services in the United States;
Crypto does not sabotage the design, integrity, manufacturing et. al.
of communications technology products.
> (B) catastrophic effects on the security or resilience of the critical infrastructure or digital economy of the United States;
Crypto does not affect the security or resilience of critical infrastructure.
> (D) coercive or criminal activities by a foreign adversary that are designed to undermine democratic processes and institutions or steer policy and regulatory decisions in favor of the strategic objectives of a foreign adversary to the detriment of the national security of the United States, as determined in coordination with the Attorney General, the Director of National Intelligence, the Secretary of Treasury, and the Federal Election Commission; or
Are you a foreign adversary seeking to undermine democratic processes
or institutions or influence policy making? No.
> (2) otherwise poses an undue or unacceptable risk to the national security of the United States or the safety of United States persons.
This is the most broad subpoint in §3.a and if you're gong to get
screwed it would be here. But the executive would have to prove that
cryptocurrency itself poses an unacceptable risk to the national
security of the U.S. and is controlled by a foreign adversary. That's
basically impossible at this stage since crypto is already being
regulated and treated as a commodity or security where control is
decentralized.
It's good to oppose this bill in order to get tighter language and
better oversight but freaking people out that they are going to jail
for using a VPN or crypto is not helpful and is counter-productive. It
wastes our voice on "don't ban VPNs", something the bill doesn't do,
instead of using our voice to say "we need greater Congressional
oversight in this bill."
Also, there is a large misunderstanding around the potential harm of
TikTok. It isn't simply that American data is stored overseas and that
we need to protect American privacy. That's a misconception on Reddit.
The real concern is that TikTok itself could be weaponized against the
U.S.
For example, suppose there is a U.S.-China conflict over Taiwan. The
CCP intervenes and TikTok begins recommending influencers who say we
shouldn't aid Taiwan or that we shouldn't vote for a particular
Presidential candidate.
In other words, TikTok could be used by the CCP as a propaganda tool
to influence and shape policy making within the U.S. That's the real
danger. If TikTok were mostly owned by France or the UK no one would
be concerned about it (see §2.8 definition of a foreign adversary).
One of the downsides of democracy with (mostly) free speech and a
(mostly) open society is that you're subject to foreign influence.
This bill is intended to mitigate that. Personally I do think the bill
should have more Congressional oversight.
No offense OP but your post simply spreads fear and misinformation.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 2 points 12 hours ago
Idk man I read a good bit but nowhere near the whole thing. Based on
your summarization of (B) I think we just disagree fundamentally there
on how risky that passage is for abuse. Digital economy being under
threat is very broad wording and measures for just security is even
more menial. The scope of this bill is massive.
(2) is also concerning, missed that one. I oppose it simply because of
its wording and how it could be applied. It seems too sweeping. If
they are targeting bad actors, criminals, and foreign governments then
be precise. A sweeping bill with language like this just holds too
much power for my tastes.
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[–]wziyo dawg 0 points 11 hours ago*
> I think we just disagree fundamentally there on how risky that passage is for abuse
Yes b/c one of us scanned the bill for the most alarming passages they
could find and one of us scanned the bill to try and understand it's
scope and the legislative intent.
> Digital economy being under threat is very broad wording
It's not broad wording. It's under threat from a foreign adversary.
The following are designated foreign adversaries (see §2.8): China,
Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, and Bolivia. Are you using a
cryptocurrency controlled by Iran? Are you using a VPN from North
Korea?
> (2) is also concerning, missed that one. I oppose it simply because of its wording and how it could be applied. It seems too sweeping.
It's not sweeping. It's national security risk from a foreign
adversary. It's like you're just choosing to ignore everything in the
bill that scopes and limits these passages.
It's good to be cynical but if you're not going to read a bill enough
to understand the basic scope and terminology please don't post about
it and spread misinformation.
EDIT: for the record, I do think it's good you're concerned about this
and taking the next step to look at the bill text. However if you're
going to read a bill try to read it like a lawyer and not like a
layperson. This means you often need to do the leg work to figure out
the meaning of things.
In this case the "sweeping" provisions (§3) you are concerned about
are scoped in the preamble in §3.a which reads, "... to address any
risk arising from any covered transaction by any person, or with
respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United
States that the Secretary determines—"
Looking at "covered transaction" (see §2.4) is how you get the scope
of foreign adversaries which limits all the items in §3. When reading
laws or legislation you simply cannot just take things in isolation.
Now the "or with respect to any property" is read as "..to address any
risk arising from any covered transaction with respect to any
property".
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 1 point 10 hours ago
You’re deliberately misrepresenting my point that this bill opens too
many avenues for future implementation outside of the scope of hostile
countries in terms of “online economy” risks from section (3) of my
original post and using another subsection. You’re deliberately
skipping the parts where I said I’d like to learn more, acting as if
the intention this post was for anything other than discussion. I’m
not a lawyer, just an investor and a worried one. Idk why you carry
that condescending shit with you but I’m good on all that my guy.
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[–]wziyo dawg 2 points 10 hours ago*
You’re deliberately misrepresenting my point that this bill opens
too many avenues for future implementation outside of the scope of
hostile countries.
Can you quote the part where I "misrepresent" you? I'm plainly arguing
that your interpretation of the bill is incorrect and I've cited the
relevant sections and terminology fairly and in good faith to make
that argument. Instead of defending your interpretation or explaining
why I'm wrong you're dodging the argument by claiming I'm
mis-representing you.
> You’re deliberately skipping the parts where I said I’d like to learn
Really? This is the only reason I'm commenting in this much detail,
deep in the thread, in the first place. I could have easily made a top
level comment attacking your interpretation and been a total jerk
about it. Instead I'm taking time to explain my reasoning and cite the
relevant sections so that you understand.
If you look at the comment I first replied to, you literally asked the
question, "What wording have you found that protects crypto users from
normal interactions?" and I tried to answer that for you.
> ... acting as if the intention this post was for anything other than discussion.
Where did I comment on the intention of your post? I said your post
spreads misinformation. That's something falsifiable we can argue
about.
> I’m not a lawyer, just an investor and a worried one. Idk why you carry that condescending shit with you but I’m good on all that my guy.
My intent wasn't to be condescending. I'm sorry that you feel this
way. When I said you should read it like a lawyer I sincerely meant
that.
The idea I was trying to communicate is that you can't cherry-pick
passages from a bill. This is obvious to a lawyer because many parts
of a bill are often explicitly limited by language elsewhere in the
bill. In this case the entirety section 3, all the things you cite in
your post, are restricted to covered transactions i.e. foreign
adversaries.
Also, I could be simply wrong in some of my interpretations. However
if you're not being critical then you won't be able to point that out.
In short, "try to read it like a lawyer."
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 1 point 10 hours ago
I added a fourth edit. I’m not trying to misrepresent the bill. Went
back and read it per your advice. I saw the lengths they will have to
go through to add or remove hostile entities on this list and I saw
the scope. My concern about the abuse of a bill like this stands
because I saw Trump hold military aide for Ukraine as leverage and
I’ve seen plenty more examples where they use Iran for example to
attack another region. I’m worried that it’ll be enforced poorly or
abused because it is such a powerful bill and am still cautious about
its implementation. If it works out like it’s supposed to, great, and
I always love to be wrong in my concerns there.
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[–]wziyo dawg 2 points 9 hours ago
No worries! I totally understand where you're coming from and I
understand you're not trying to misrepresent anything. You're
concerned and frankly I'm concerned as well.
Prior to this thread I hadn't even looked at the bill and if you
hadn't specifically asked for wording that protects crypto users then
I wouldn't have participated at all. So if your goal was discussion
and education then you've succeeded.
Honestly, there may be loopholes in the bill that could trap crypto
users but I didn't see anything obvious. That said, I'm not a lawyer
and I did only a superficial scan of what seemed to be the relevant
sections.
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[–]LankyTomatoPlatinum | QC: CC 106 | Politics 394 1 point 3 hours ago
Gonna agree with you here. If they do a central bank currency they
could say btc and other cryptos threaten that 'digital economy'. Btc
isn't based in any of those 'adversarial nations ', but it's not
really based anywhere. They could just make up some shit like china is
mining btc to hurt the usa somehow.
This bill could be interpreted in so many ways, and the worst could be
a complete nightmare.
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[–]SirLeeeroyJenkins 1 point 17 hours ago
Yea. The US government is going to jail and fine teenagers for getting
on a vpn and downloading tiktok....give me a break. infosec for 15
yrs. id LOVE to see them try. ive seen government run infosec - its a
joke.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 1 point 16 hours ago
Could you imagine? Kids aren’t stupid. Half of them know completely
how to use a computer at age 7. They use tablets in most schools now.
I could imagine the amount of “future criminals” this bill creates
with such menial things like emulators, crypto games, or eventually
information. Even if they can’t enforce it regularly, it will be used
with prejudice as was the Patriot Act.
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[–]Impressive-HorsePlatinum | QC: BTC 103 1 point 13 hours ago
It will only be enforced against political opponents.
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[–]djugglerTin 1 point 11 hours ago
How about AI run infosec?
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[–]KINK_KINGTin 1 point 16 hours ago*
Are you a foreign adversary, OP? Or do you do business with foreign
adversaries? If not, you have nothing to worry about. But if you are a
recipient of money from a foreign adversary, e.g., Russia, then you
certainly should worry.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 2 points 15 hours ago
Plenty of games are based in Russia and China too. Is it possible to
narrow focus a bit instead of sweeping bills? My issue is that this
can selectively be enforced and the section I referenced says that
wording and directives thereafter would have that applicable penalty
as well. This means this is just the framework. They could apply this
same rules to hundreds or thousands of rules with this wording. This
could effectively kill innovation for the internet, even if properly
enforced, out of the sheer liability if mishandled.
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[–]franky_reboot 1 point 13 hours ago
The problem is, though it's wildly unrelated to crypto, that, if you
take a closer look, Tiktok was indeed shady and has been from the
start. Even ITSEC experts, ones that are, for obvious reason, are
heavily and extremely opposing most stance of the US government, said
that it's just not reliable for it's data handling and privacy.
And no, "Facebook is the same" is not an argument. It's tiring,
ridiculous, and at its core is a whataboutism argument.
So, however painful it may be, I have to side with the US government,
at the very least in its opposition to Tiktok. They are protecting
their own political interests, rationally so.
And honestly, it's an unpopular opinion, but the interests of the rich
and us, can overlap.
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[–]TipToeTurrency -1 points 18 hours ago
TikTok should be banned
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[–]Wizard_of_the_lakeTin 3 points 17 hours ago
but not with a general law that applies to anything they want to.
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[–]djugglerTin -1 points 11 hours ago
Why?
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[–]SufficientNet9227Tin 0 points 17 hours ago
us IS TURNING INTO COMMUNISM
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[–]_k182Tin 0 points 15 hours ago
Doesnt apply to me im American
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 1 point 15 hours ago
This is an American bill
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[–]_k182Tin 1 point 9 hours ago
U dont get it
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[–]No-Setting9690Bronze 0 points 15 hours ago
I would definitely consider it paranoia, but yes, it could be used in
that manner. Not really needed as they could run you through the
Patriot act.
Would you agree our gov't should have some ability to identify and
block national security threats?
Always conflicted on these. Most can be abused, but most are
necessary. How do we have our cake and eat it too?
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 4 points 15 hours ago
My concern is, if it’s an actual threat to us then why don’t we just
kick them out? We had no problem doing that with Chinese cellphones
yet with Tik Tok we suddenly have to pass this broad sweeping and
future proof bill of control. Check the second passage, it allows
future enforcement that is undetermined. My concern is what should be
a targeted approach is instead opening Pandora’s box.
If I’ve misinterpreted the wording please show me examples from the
bill. I’m always willing to learn
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[–]No-Setting9690Bronze 2 points 14 hours ago
I understand 100%. I'm not sure there's a simple solution for either
side. I think with banning Chinese cell phones over Tik Tok was a lot
easier. Hardware is always easier to stop than software. That's one of
the main reasons Terminator movies keep being made, Skynet is
software.
I think it's simply to target the Chinese. IF we really cared about
access to our data, then gov't would do so much more for breaches.
Look at credit bureaus. At this point, nothing left to breach it's all
been stolen. Yet, American data is still available everywhere for
purchase by bad actors.
I would have way more questions than answers on this. Why now? Why not
all the other security issues we have never address? Why after decades
have we not worked towards a better something, whatever it may be?
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 1 point 14 hours ago
Truly but it’s the broad scope that worries me. I added a 3rd edit, it
quotes where they can deem an unacceptable risk to digital economy and
enforce this act. If it’s to target Tik Tok, fine, but an embargo
masquerading as a security act is not cool with me.
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[–]No-Setting9690Bronze 1 point 14 hours ago
Its the ability to be abused, which we all agree is always a problem.
We don't really need an act for them to go all authoritarian over
crypto. All they have to do is state crypto is a national security
threat to our economy. Ban it that way.
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[–]DDDUnit2990Platinum | QC: CC 766, ETH 312, ATOM 48 | TraderSubs 312
-1 points 18 hours ago
TikTok is being banned because it is Chinese spyware. They have to
sell to a non-Chinese entity and they can stay.
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[–]gingerthingyPlatinum | QC: ALGO 101, CC 100[S] 4 points 18 hours ago
Yeah but Tik Tok will be 2% of the problem if this bill passes.
Depending on who is in office your data could get sold by a politician
instead, not just Tik Tok.
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[–]AllCreditsBronze | QC: CC 16 | LRC 7 | Superstonk 407 6 points 18 hours ago
This bill has practically nothing to do with TikTok and gives the
government to ban any app or “transaction” they see fit
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[–]endless_ness 2 points 18 hours ago
It’s just 2 weeks of the power to ban . To stop the spread
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[–]djugglerTin -1 points 11 hours ago
TikTok is being banned because it is Chinese spyware.
You've been played by Zuckerberg
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[–]ShippuuXPlatinum | QC: CC 83 | BANANO 6 1 point 17 hours ago
That’s really concerning. Lately there’s so much shit thrown around in
the whole world by lawmakers.
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[–]BeingMe007Tin 1 point 17 hours ago
So called freedom
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[–]RiceRare1 - 2 years account age. -15 - 35 comment karma. 1 point 17
hours ago
Good luck Americans! Seems like your leaders are trying to destroy their people.
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[–]Whole_Visible 1 point 17 hours ago
For a company to actually be compliant with this bill would require a
huge level of data access for the government. It has pretty high
potential to be used to expand surveillance and neuter the internet
from whatever the government at the time decides is dangerous
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[–]Knotley-Hunt-Brick 1 point 16 hours ago
Exhale and inhale "For our citizen Freedommmmm ".
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[–]sarfianTin | ADA 8 1 point 16 hours ago
Welcome to the land of the free, or isn’t that US motto anymore ?
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[–]Connect-Ad-1088Tin 1 point 16 hours ago
the patriot rat
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[–]42069qwertz42069Flair? 1 point 16 hours ago
Glad i‘m not an US citizen?!
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[–]Dazzling_Marzipan474Platinum | QC: CC 26 | ADA 6 | ExchSubs 14 1
point 16 hours ago
Where's a good country for me to move to? I'm so sick of this shit!
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[–]adichandraBronze | Apple 32 1 point 15 hours ago
Damn the US now looks more communist than Russia and China.
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[–]322118 1 point 15 hours ago
Motherfuckers are always deliberately wording shit differently so the
normal people doesn’t know what it actually fucking means.
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[–]SpaceFaceMistake 1 point 15 hours ago
I honestly thought this was already available to the the gov..
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[–]ShinAlastor 1 point 15 hours ago
It is against freedom that act.
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[–]sanju7850 1 point 15 hours ago
Did anyone heard about catch some scammer groups nowadays, who scams
around 5 to 6 cr.
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[+]chooseayellowfruit 1 point 15 hours ago (0 children)
[–]DynamoDylanPlatinum | QC: CC 227 1 point 14 hours ago
Basically anything that's taking away money from the government must be banned.
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[–]ConstantGeographer 1 point 14 hours ago
I agree with all of this and would add a few cups of Citizens United
to the mix. Not only is this a digital Patriotic Act on steroids but
also a dose of protectionism for corporations who want to seal off
foreign competition.
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[–]VPNApePlatinum | 6 months old | QC: BTC 108 | r/WSB 131 1 point 14 hours ago
I want to know why in the ever loving fuck they thought to name the
thing after TikTok.
It's like the most popular thing around and tons of voters would
oppose a ban, even if it's a Chinese spy tool. The time to ban tik tok
was years ago, not now.
In terms of crypto, idk want this law enables the govt to do that they
can't already do. The govt doesn't need special permission to go seize
saylor's coins. They can also just claim your coins were previously
used in a crime and go after you as well.
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[–]Intr3pidG4ming 1 point 13 hours ago
If this passes, even China's censorship of the internet would be a
joke in comparison to the USA. So much to USA being the land of the
free.
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[–]blindao_blindadoBronze 1 point 13 hours ago
We already have the guns to fight against those pigfuckers: trade with
Monero, anonymize your traffic. This battle can only be won silently,
protests won't do the job (e.g take France very recently as example)
they will pass the bills which benefit bankers and the rich no matter
what we do, there is only one way out of this
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[–]P0TAT0FARM3RTin 1 point 13 hours ago
What’s next? Great American Firewall?
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[–]7sevenheavenTin 1 point 13 hours ago
Jesus, is our government the empire from Star Wars?
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[–]jesus0815Tin 1 point 12 hours ago
This is basically a digital coup de etat.
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[–]Ill-Candy-4926 1 point 12 hours ago
does this also mean that if i tried to write and release a song
protesting this i could get arrested???!
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[–]eetaylogPlatinum | QC: CC 748 | VET 7 1 point 12 hours ago
Laughs in Web3.
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[–]bwatts53Platinum | QC: BTC 24 | r/WSB 21 1 point 12 hours ago
But how do you get this information out to more people
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[–]Chocolatebear95 1 point 12 hours ago
What can we do as US citizens? Who should we reach out to about this?
How can I help make a difference in not passing this bill
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[–]SmallReflection2552Bronze | QC: CC 19 1 point 12 hours ago
We should all be seriously concerned.
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[–]Sumurnites6 - 7 years account age. 175 - 350 comment karma. 1 point
12 hours ago
Literally the opposite of why crypto was started in the 1st place.
They desperately need their grubby little hands controlling it. Do we
have a person who's fighting this on the front line? Our person with a
cape on?
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[–]permabanned36 1 point 12 hours ago
5% chance of passing
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[–]SinCollectorPlatinum | QC: CC 158 1 point 12 hours ago
I WAS ELECTED TO LEAD, NOT TO READ
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[–]SIMPLE_C_AS_CAN_B 1 point 11 hours ago
Thank god you posted this, I would have had no idea… things are
getting so whacky, fuckkkkkkkk man… the fact that this legislation is
even being considered boils my blood 🩸
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[–]cryptoboyczTin | LRC 6 1 point 11 hours ago
Freedom destroyers
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[–]The_Chorizo_BanditSilver | QC: CC 846, XRP 41 | TRX 28 1 point 11 hours ago
Can we just point out that this is a concern only for Americans, who
may lose their privacy and rights. Doesn’t apply to the rest of the
western world. Land of the free my ass.
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[–]Long_EducationalTin | Technology 13 1 point 11 hours ago
They are doing this because they (the ultra wealthy and their bought
congress) see what is happening in France and they are afraid of
people organizing against them.
Never has there been more worker unions. Never has there been a
greater wealth inequality.
China and Tiktok are just a distraction for this bill's true purpose.
They are afraid of an uprising here in the U.S. and it shows.
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[–]trrrringPlatinum | QC: CC 132 1 point 11 hours ago
This bill will restrict the internet, the best invention since sliced
bread. Don't allow this to happen!
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[–]shortybobertBronze | QC: CC 25 | Technology 12 1 point 11 hours ago
Literally the least important part of this is how it affects crypto
lol. But it's still incredibly important to kill it
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[–]Durpy15648DCA & HODL 1 point 11 hours ago
*uh-oh* I'm in danger!
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[–]Starshot84Tin | GMEJungle 25 | GME subs 41 1 point 9 hours ago
Jail time for those who are identified as a natural person
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[–]Jeff5704Tin | 5 months old 1 point 9 hours ago
This is a serious threat to internet privacy and has far-reaching
consequences if passed. It allows the government to access personal
data and enforce harsh measures based on what it deems as national
security, with penalties so severe that even VPNs may not protect
users. The bill's language is too broad and allows for government
overreach, which could potentially stifle innovation and progress in
the digital world. It is crucial for everyone to stay informed and
educated about this bill and its potential impact on the future of
internet freedom and cryptocurrencies.
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[–]Consistent_Many_1858Platinum | QC: ETH 26 | MiningSubs 27 1 point 9
hours ago
That's one thing I hate about so called Western democracy. It's not a
true democracy where few politicians get to decide for entire
population. Why not have a proper referendum where people can decide
what to do.
This new restrict act is in breach of civil liberties and freedom.
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[–]redamidBronze | QC: CC 15 1 point 9 hours ago
Privacy and governments name a better duo
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[–]QuartzPuffyStarTin | Privacy 10 1 point 9 hours ago
tHe gOvErNmEnT iSn´T gOiNg aFtEr cRyPtO tHiS yEaR. tHeY aRe oNLy dOiNg
tHeiR jObS, wE hAvE nOtHiNg tO wOrRy aBoUt. f*cK CeXXX! /s (just in
case it isn´t obvious)
But seriously, there´s a big plan against crypto this year going into
execution. With how the geopolitical arena is changing, nd the threats
that arise from all of the big actors, they are coming hard on
anything they can´t fully control.
If we don´t unite, it will be bye bye for mainstream crypto, and it
will remain as an underworld banned and prosecuted instrument.
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[–]SchniiicTin 1 point 9 hours ago
Oof. They really try to shut it completely down in the US. Hoping for
everyone that the worst scenario will never happen. This sounds
horrible
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[–]DAlmightyTin 1 point 8 hours ago
I say shut it all down.
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[–]1959Chicagoan 1 point 8 hours ago
I can't imagine living life thinking the sky is falling from a
different fictional threat every day. SMH
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[–]720smh 1 point 8 hours ago
Does anyone know if a website exists to petition against it yet? I’ve
seen them in the past for various local issues where you fill out a
form and it gets sent to your representative.
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[–]bafflesaurusTin 1 point 7 hours ago
This will never pass. Every business uses VPN at some level so they
would literally have to arrest the entire skilled labor market. I wish
politicians weren't so brain dead.
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[–]RedddLedddBronze 1 point 7 hours ago
Yep, just another move to choke the last ounce of humanity and freedom
from us mere mortals. God forbid we should be able to share anything
between ourselves unabated or at will. Once again, we will own nothing
and be happy apparently. They told us what they were doing and the
vast majority stuck their heads in the sand (myself included to begin
with). This is not just the US, this is global and we should all be up
in arms about it.
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[–]Slack008Tin 1 point 7 hours ago
Typical fed trying to get into everyone's business
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[–]JustBreatheBelieveTin | Politics 32 1 point 6 hours ago
>shall, upon conviction, be fined not more than $1,000,000, or if ural person, may be imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both.
Up to a million...up to 20 years...OR BOTH?! Wow-eee. That's a lot of
leeway. Scary stuff.
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[–]Wine-and-wings 1 point 6 hours ago
a) Priority Information And Communications Technology Areas.—In
carrying out sections 3 and 4, the Secretary shall prioritize
evaluation of—
(1) information and communications technology products or services
used by a party to a covered transaction in a sector designated as
critical infrastructure in Policy Directive 21 (February 12, 2013;
relating to critical infrastructure security and resilience);
(2) software, hardware, or any other product or service integral to
telecommunications products and services, including—
(A) wireless local area networks;
(B) mobile networks;
(C) satellite payloads;
(D) satellite operations and control;
(E) cable access points;
(F) wireline access points;
(G) core networking systems;
(H) long-, short-, and back-haul networks; or
(I) edge computer platforms;
(3) any software, hardware, or any other product or service integral
to data hosting or computing service that uses, processes, or retains,
or is expected to use, process, or retain, sensitive personal data
with respect to greater than 1,000,000 persons in the United States at
any point during the year period preceding the date on which the
covered transaction is referred to the Secretary for review or the
Secretary initiates review of the covered transaction, including—
(A) internet hosting services;
(B) cloud-based or distributed computing and data storage;
(C) machine learning, predictive analytics, and data science products
and services, including those involving the provision of services to
assist a party utilize, manage, or maintain open-source software;
(D) managed services; and
(E) content delivery services;
(4) internet- or network-enabled sensors, webcams, end-point
surveillance or monitoring devices, modems and home networking devices
if greater than 1,000,000 units have been sold to persons in the
United States at any point during the year period preceding the date
on which the covered transaction is referred to the Secretary for
review or the Secretary initiates review of the covered transaction;
(5) unmanned vehicles, including drones and other aerials systems,
autonomous or semi-autonomous vehicles, or any other product or
service integral to the provision, maintenance, or management of such
products or services;
(6) software designed or used primarily for connecting with and
communicating via the internet that is in use by greater than
1,000,000 persons in the United States at any point during the year
period preceding the date on which the covered transaction is referred
to the Secretary for review or the Secretary initiates review of the
covered transaction, including—
(A) desktop applications;
(B) mobile applications;
(C) gaming applications;
(D) payment applications; or
(E) web-based applications; or
(7) information and communications technology products and services integral to—
(A) artificial intelligence and machine learning;
(B) quantum key distribution;
(C) quantum communications;
(D) quantum computing;
(E) post-quantum cryptography;
(F) autonomous systems;
(G) advanced robotics;
(H) biotechnology;
(I) synthetic biology;
(J) computational biology; and
(K) e-commerce technology and services, including any electronic
techniques for accomplishing business transactions, online retail,
internet-enabled logistics, internet-enabled payment technology, and
online marketplaces.
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[–]wanderer000020201 - 2 years account age. 35 - 100 comment karma. 1
point 5 hours ago
This is fucking scary, that's all I have to add.
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[–]hicoBMTin | CC critic 1 point 4 hours ago
USA it’s out of control!
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[–]Optimal-Two-6382Tin | Superstonk 104 1 point 4 hours ago
Patriot act 2.0.
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[–]Sage-Like_Wisdom 1 point 4 hours ago
I’m not worried. The more they tighten their grip, the more people
will be willing to just not comply. States are already talking
secession. It’s time the fascist left has their dystopia they crave
and leave the rest of us to freedom.
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[–]IcyMasterPeas 1 point 3 hours ago
I just created r/RESTRICTact in hopes that a real huge focused
discussion about this can be made in public view.
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[–]evoxyseahPlatinum | QC: CC 206, BTC 22, LW 18 | ADA 19 1 point 3 hours ago
Woah, this is something we need to fight against.
Jobs will be lost and freedom of speech will be gone?
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[–]_Commando_Silver | QC: ETH 180, BTC 27, CC 21 | LINK 55 |
TraderSubs 161 1 point 3 hours ago
Restrict act? I'm surprised they didn't call it "Freedom act"
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[–]Icy_Elevator_7886 1 point 1 hour ago
Time to remove the tyrannical elite!
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[–]JonSnerrrrrrTin | GMEJungle 52 | GME subs 52 1 point 59 minutes ago
It's crazy, but that's most bills in the US. They say it's for one
thing but there are literally hundreds of other things embedded and,
as stated, gives far too much overreach. I don't know how we can ever
stop it from happening. A bill to make smaller and more concise bills?
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[–]mikeoxwells2Bronze | QC: CC 22 1 point 13 minutes ago
Who wrote this bill? Who sponsored it?
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