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We are not alone: The UFO whistleblower speaks


* Former intelligence officer makes claims of potential extraterrestrial
* Whistleblower: U.S. has “quite a number” of "non-human” vehicles
* David Grusch: “We're definitely not alone”

Andy Gipson, Miguel Sancho, Zoë Lake, Dana Leavitt, Ross Coulthart

Updated: Jun 11, 2023 / 08:00 PM CDT

([74]NewsNation) — For decades, the UFO question has been consigned to
the realm of speculation, conspiracy theory and science fiction. However,
in recent years, serious people have started taking on the subject with a
more academic approach.

The renewed interest has been prompted in part by the recent release of
videos purporting to show encounters between American naval aviators and,
what the Pentagon has labeled “unidentified aerial phenomenon (UAP)”
Congress has convened hearings to determine what these UAP are and what
threat, if any, they might pose.

“If UAP do indeed represent a potential threat to our security, then the
capabilities, systems, processes and sources we use to observe and study
or analyze these phenomena need to be classified at appropriate levels,”
said Scott Bray, Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence.

[75]Close encounters: America’s UFO fascination

The Department of Defense has established a special team: the All-Domain
Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO). It’s job: to investigate and identify
what are now hundreds of reported sightings. So far, they have not
confirmed any of them to constitute proof of alien life.

The U.S. government’s official stance, however, remains the same: human
beings are alone.

But now, for the first time, a former member of AARO is speaking out with
a stunning story.

“My name is David Grusch.”

“I came from a blue-collar family in Pittsburgh and had the money for
college,” said Grusch. “I always admired people in uniform and I've
always wanted to be a part of something bigger than myself.”

About 18 years ago he received an Air Force scholarship in physics. He was
originally commissioned on active duty and served 14 years in the Air

He became a career intelligence officer, Grusch spent time on the ground
in Afghanistan, and other places he can’t mention, before rotating back
to Washington, D.C.

“And my last position, which I left in April of 2023, I co-lead the UAP
portfolio for the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and some of the
highest officials within the Department of Defense and intelligence
community used to call on me to advise them on some of the hardest target
sets that the country had,” Grusch said.

He told NewsNation he was entrusted with some of the country’s most
intimate secrets.

The most earth-shattering of those secrets, he claims, were revealed after
2019, when he was invited to join the UAP task force.

“I have, based on my full security clearance and multiple polygraphs
(lie detector tests), had the ability to be read into any program that I
needed,” he said. “At one point in time, I was extremely highly

During that time, Grusch claims the UAP Task Force was refused access to a
broad crash retrieval program.

“These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles, call it
space-craft if you will. Non-human exotic origin vehicles that have either
landed or crashed,” he said.

Grusch told NewsNation that the U.S. is in possession of “quite a
number” of these “non-human” vehicles.

He says he didn’t believe it at first.

“I thought it was totally nuts and I thought at first I was being
deceived. People started to confide in me … approaching me. I had plenty
of senior, former intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I
knew almost my whole career, that confided in me that they were part of a
program,” he said. “They named the program … I’d never heard of
it. They told me, based on their oral testimony, and they provided me
documents and other proof, that there was in fact a program that the UAP
Task Force was not read into.”

Grusch, however, is hesitant to use the term “alien life.”

“I couch it as somebody who has studied physics, where you know, maybe
they’re coming from a different physical dimension as described in
quantum mechanics. We know there are extra dimensions due to high-energy
particle collisions, etc., and there’s a theoretical framework to
explain that,” he said.

In other words, Grusch believes humans are not alone. He says there is
“potentially extra-terrestrial life” out there.

He’s never personally seen non-human intelligence but says he’s spoken
to enough people directly involved in what he calls “the program,”
that he’s convinced it’s real.

“I started out as a non-believer. I came to the problem as a hardcore
physics guy … intel officer,” he said. So I have, you know, excuse my
language high bull--- factor.” I was very methodical … interviewing
people who didn't know each other and making sure this wasn't some kind of
cover-up of some other program.”

Grusch says he pressed to gain direct access to the program, and that’s
when the trouble started. He claims his investigation was stymied, and his
requests for access were rebuffed.

“They shut the door in my face. They denied me access to these
programs,” he said.

Soon after, he says he endured reprisals and retaliations from above. He
reported that information to the intelligence community inspector general
and eventually filed a whistleblower complaint.

The experience, he says, is why he has decided to go public in a recent
[76]article in “The Debrief” written by Leslie Kean.

Grusch says he is not being paid for any of the testimonials but rather is
doing it out of a “sense of service.”

“Call me a Boy Scout or whatever. It’s just when I saw the kind of
wrongdoing I did … I don't want to be 60 or 70 years old in the future
and have that, you know, “could have, should have, would have” kind of
feeling where I could have made a difference,” he said. “I did not
want to live a life of regret.”

[77]How would House UFO investigation hearings work?

And his conviction remains the same.

“We're definitely not alone,” he said. “The data points quite
empirically that we're not alone.”

He says the United States has intact spacecraft in its possession.

And possibly bodies.

“Well, naturally, when you recover something that's either landed or
crashed … sometimes you encounter dead pilots and, believe it or not, as
fantastical as that sounds. It's true,” Grusch said.

He told NewsNation that he has seen “some interesting photos,” and
“read some very interesting reports. However, he says that the specific
documents and photos that would prove his claims are still classified and
he cannot disclose them here.

When asked about his credibility, and why his claims should be taken
seriously, Grusch pointed to his credentials.

“Well, we provided the proof internally to the inspector general and
went into all the details,” he said. “I mean, I have the credentials.
I was an intelligence officer on the UAP Task Force.”

Allegations of aliens and their spacecraft are hard to accept, even coming
from a respected insider; the notion comes with obvious questions.

How could such nonhuman aircraft travel to Earth in the first place, and
go undetected by the general public?

Grusch says the craft may not be traveling through space as we understand

“It is a well-established fact, at least mathematically and based on
empirical observation and analysis, that there most likely are physical,
additional spatial dimensions,” he said. “And you can imagine, four
and five-dimensional space where what we experience is linear time, ends
up being a physical dimension in higher dimensional space where you were
living there. You could translate across what we perceive as a linear
flow. So there is a possibility that this is a theory here. I'm not saying
this is 100% the case but it could be that this is not necessarily
extraterrestrial, and it's actually coming from a higher dimensional
physical space that might be co-located right here.”

[78]UFO claims could be positive: ‘X-Files’ E.P.

Grusch says he’s certain that the materials the crafts are made out of
are not of our planet.

“Based on the very specific properties that I was briefed on …
isotopic ratios that have to be engineered for it to be at those levels.
But also just extremely strange, heavy atomic metal, high up in the
Periodic Table. Arrangements that we don't understand. You know what the
emergent properties are, but there's just a very strange mix of
elements,” he said.

And while Grusch says the U.S. has gleaned some insight from these
materials for military use, much more could be done if academia and the
private sector had access.

“It's totally nuts that humanity as a whole especially, U.S. citizenry
as a whole, they’re not even benefiting from broad research on this to
solve propulsion, energy issues, novel material science that could improve
people's quality of life,” he said. “It's just totally nuts how it's
been protected and inhibits progress.”

Grusch believes there is a “sophisticated disinformation campaign” in
the United States with regard to nonhuman life and aircraft.

He also made stunning claims that go back to the famous Roswell incident.
At the time, there were multiple witnesses who said there were bodies
recovered from the alleged Roswell aircraft.

“You might want to trust some of these witnesses,” Grusch said.

In 1947, an object crashed in the New Mexico desert near the town of
Roswell. The U.S. Air Force recovered material that was described as
metallic and rubbery, though the government changed its story as to what
it was, calling it a “flying disc” at first, then a weather or spy

But he says reports like Roswell date even further back.

“It’s long been known that the regime of Italian dictator Benito
Mussolini documented numerous UAP. An internal memo from the Italian
Secret Services includes crude drawings of the UAPs.

“In 1933 was the first recovery in Europe and in Magenta, Italy,” said
Grusch. “They recovered a partially intact vehicle.”

Most believe that the Roswell incident has been thoroughly debunked. In
fact, the Air Force published a report in 1994 to put the issue to rest
once and for all.

Grusch has read it.

“That analysis they did was a total hack job,” he said. “I mean,
even anybody with analytical skills … if you read it, you can deduce
that they're completing multiple situations crash test dummies and movable
dunes. They (the Air Force) is just saying that the townsfolk who
personally witnessed it were totally imagining things. They concocted that
whole report just to disinform.”

As to why Grusch believes the Air Force and the U.S. government maintain
such a degree of secrecy, he believes it is, in his words, “Feudalistic
dominance,” and “fuel in the war machine.”

He claims that through the 50s and 60s, encounters with nonhuman aircraft
continued, as did the alleged cover-up. One incident in 1967, about which
multiple Air Force veterans have gone public, involved UAPs tampering with
the nuclear missiles at Malmstrom Air Base in Montana.

[79]Skeptic: Whistleblower claim on UFOs isn’t ‘accurate’

Officials observed a craft that appeared to be intelligently controlled
hovered over the nuclear weapons. The silo and 10 nuclear ICBM missiles
were shut down.

“It certainly looks like they (nonhuman organisms) want to understand
how far we've advanced in our nuclear fissile kind of technologies at the
very least,” Grusch hypothesized.

Meanwhile, he claims the crash retrieval program continued, and while he
won’t reveal where the downed craft are stored, he does say that the
people working with the technology have been putting themselves at risk.

“A lot of them were injured looking at some of this stuff,” he said.
“You can imagine the nuclear, radiological and biological risks to
looking at an unknown. And a lot of them have literally suffered
physically because of their service.”


Footage captured by naval aviators' military-grade cameras in 2015 may be
changing the minds of some lawmakers in Washington.

The videos were leaked in 2017, then officially released by the Pentagon
in 2020. At the time, it seemed the Pentagon may have finally abandoned
secrecy and decided to do what some countries have been doing for decades:
establish a properly-funded, publicly accountable team to investigate
reports of UAP.

David Grusch was part of that team.

He says, however, that the promised new age of government transparency is
a fallacy. For starters, he says the videos that have been released are
just the tip of the iceberg.

“There are many videos that are totally fair to release through a
declassification process,” he said. “I find it very concerning from a
transparency perspective that all that the department has declassified
were those three famous videos. There are more concerning videos that left
me with a lot of questions.”

He says there are credible witnesses who could testify before Congress
about spacecraft -- big spacecraft.

“A lot of them were very large, very large, like a football field kind
of size,” Grusch said.

Grush says the aircraft retrieval team includes at least one private
aerospace company that is storing alien craft.

High-level officials in the U.S. government, and even presidents, have
categorically denied that the aircraft retrieval unit exists.

Just a few weeks ago, Dr. Shawn Kirkpactrick, the head of the Pentagon’s
UAP investigation program told Congress that his team has found no
credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity or objects that
defy the known laws of physics.

[80]Congressman: Americans deserve to know full truth on UFO claims

“While a large number of cases in our holdings remain technically
unresolved, this is primarily due to a lack of data associated with those
cases,” Kirkpatrick told lawmakers.

Grush said he expressed “some concerns” with Kirkpatrick about a year

“I told him what I was starting to uncover and he didn't follow up with
me. He has my phone number, he could’ve called me,” said Grush. “I
hope he ultimately does the right thing. He should be able to make the
same investigative discoveries I did.”

In movies, the aliens are sometimes portrayed as peaceful, even cuddly.
Grush doesn’t think they’re that friendly.

“I think the logical fallacy there is because they're advanced, they're
kind. We’ll never really understand their full intent and that’s
because we're not them. But I think what appears to be malevolent activity
has happened. That’s based on nuclear site probing activities and
witness testimony.

When asked if human beings have been injured or killed by nonhuman
intelligence, Grush avoided getting into details.

“While I can't get into the specifics because that would reveal certain
US classified operations, I was briefed by a few individuals on the
program that there were malevolent events like that,” he said.

But if this non-human intelligence is so advanced, and at least some of
them are malevolent, why haven’t they destroyed us already?

Grusch has written an internal document about his discoveries that refers
to “agreements that risk putting our future in jeopardy.”

“That's the kind of information I really hope national leadership is
able to get to the bottom of,” Grusch said.

We do know of at least one agreement among humans that’s worth noting. A
1971 agreement between the U.S. and the USSR on measures to reduce the
risk of nuclear war. Whether or not you believe David Grusch, the document
proves the two superpowers were aware that UAP existed, whatever they

Grusch believes the U.S. government will do anything to keep these secrets

“At the very least, I saw substantiative evidence that white-collar
crime was committed,” he said.

When asked if people have been killed to protect the alleged secret,
Grusch again gave few details.

“Yeah, unfortunately. I've heard some really un-American things I
don’t want to repeat right now.”


Here’s what he doesn’t have.

He doesn’t have smoking gun documents or photos; he doesn’t have
official confirmation of his claims.

NewsNation has confirmed through multiple sources that he is who he says
he is: an Air Force veteran from Pittsburgh who worked in military
intelligence and was part of the UAP task force.

Grusch said he does not suffer from any mental illness.

“I'm not a disgruntled employee,” he said. “I resigned on my own
accord because I thought, altruistically, it's more appropriate to show
leadership on the outside.”

Here’s the proof Grusch said he does have, in his own words.

“Based on the credentialled people that came to me. Some of the subjects
provided me with sensitive foreign intelligence to read … program
documents and photographs to evaluate. And then describe in very specific
detail how all this worked. And they were telling me that the exact
extremely specific details that it all checked out.”

Perhaps the best reason to believe Grusch may be the whistleblower
complaint he filed. It appears to not have fallen on deaf ears.

“They (the inspector general) found after interviewing myself, the
subjects and other subjects that I'm not even cognizant of who they were,
they found my complaint, urgent and credible for the intelligence
committees,” he said.

Grusch has since left the government and he was not part of AARO during
the most recent congressional hearings when more UAPs were revealed,
including one captured by a drone in the Middle East in 2022.

His whistleblower case will take months to conclude. In the meantime, he
says he’s starting a scientific foundation, and he’s willing to speak
to anyone in Washington who has the clearance, and the desire, to hear the
classified information he could not share with NewsNation.

“I'm happy to further brief elected officials on the specific ecosystem,
the secrecy ... down to fine details,” he said.


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