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[Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many]

i was clicking through windows and landed on this one by accident when
i started talking
since i used to think ELF was cool (leslie pickering was targeted by
the fbi for a very long time from publishing ecosabotage media
thinking it was legal and forthright to do so, and successfully FOIA'd
the records showing this, getting validation of extreme weirdness; the
records showed how he data on him was falsely presented to make him
appear to be a violent terrorist, and partly documented coercion of
others to disrepute him) and engaged the term luddite, i bantered the
conversation topic starting luddite, but didn't read up

the thing that hit was when there was a long delay with nobody talking
when we reflected professor rat's content around finding anarchism,
death threats, and gambling economies

mentions the stalled bot at 3:45; the reply maybe shows some of the
messaging around automated influence has been successful

i guess i start focusing on meno-sanark around 3:50 and after
mentioning finding the community via professor rat, there's a long
pause at 4:04 where meno-sanark mysteriously pulls a concept similar
to those of pr's on this list, and then nobody says anything. at all.

it feels like something preventing exposure of me to any influence to
try to gain a better hold, and in me my alter roughly assumes that and
participates. [i often stimulate situations that make it struggle a
little, as a habit, as we know.]

2/20/2023, 3:28:09 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): rocinante: i like the vibe here
2/20/2023, 3:28:18 PM - rocinante (IRC): nice
2/20/2023, 3:28:19 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): dont get me started on
anarvhist owned businesses
2/20/2023, 3:28:55 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): ... by russian emigrants in georgia
2/20/2023, 3:31:13 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): how do i start a luddite collective
2/20/2023, 3:31:15 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): wait this isnt google
2/20/2023, 3:31:59 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): by luddite i mean i want to
revert to roughly 1997
2/20/2023, 3:32:11 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): or 1897 im not really fussy
2/20/2023, 3:32:16 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): 1984
2/20/2023, 3:32:16 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): Find friends.
2/20/2023, 3:32:44 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): meno-sanark: luddites
didn't mind machines
2/20/2023, 3:32:53 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): most of them were skilled workers
2/20/2023, 3:33:00 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): they just didn't want to get fired
2/20/2023, 3:33:01 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): ik
2/20/2023, 3:33:09 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): ah
2/20/2023, 3:33:25 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): ur right to correct me
though im using luddite in the vulgar sense
2/20/2023, 3:33:36 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): so, elections are
undemocratic and suck, especially where i live... but i still want to
play this game
2/20/2023, 3:34:06 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): i doubt if it's possible to
build a movement in just one city district
2/20/2023, 3:34:20 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): that doesn't make any sense
2/20/2023, 3:34:21 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): google murray bookchin bro
2/20/2023, 3:34:34 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): im not sure what u mean by movement
2/20/2023, 3:34:46 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): probably most people here
would say you can easily start a group of ppl doing uh
2/20/2023, 3:34:54 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): mutual aid or dual power or
whatever u want to call it
2/20/2023, 3:34:55 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): sex
2/20/2023, 3:35:02 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): yes something like that
2/20/2023, 3:35:19 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): i dont think running for
election is going to help you set up a food stall
2/20/2023, 3:35:53 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): idk what your goals are
though. if u have goals that are expressed through city council
legislation then feel free
2/20/2023, 3:36:17 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): What are your thoughts on the
term neo-luddite?
2/20/2023, 3:36:37 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): what does being a neo luddite entail
2/20/2023, 3:36:40 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): i want some politization of
a deeply apolitical place with atomized population
2/20/2023, 3:36:42 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): does it mean being a luddite, but now
2/20/2023, 3:36:59 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): Let us say, using
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Luddism as the reference to define
it.
2/20/2023, 3:36:59 PM - novatore (IRC): ^ Neo-Luddism or new Luddism
is a philosophy opposing many forms of modern technology. The term
Luddite is generally used as a pejorative applied to people showing
technophobic leanings.
2/20/2023, 3:37:09 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): thats me fr fr
2/20/2023, 3:37:18 PM - xloem: luddite is not just pejorative
2/20/2023, 3:37:19 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): im so neo-luddite i go to church
2/20/2023, 3:37:34 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): I think the description and
what he page conveys has issues. I cannot articulte it well though.
2/20/2023, 3:37:42 PM - xloem: i recommend neo-luddite for people who
are both addicted to technology and dislike it, to explain some of the
hyprocrisy
2/20/2023, 3:37:51 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): >Neo-Luddism or new Luddism
is a philosophy opposing many forms of modern technology.[1]
2/20/2023, 3:38:19 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): Is an anti-abortionist a
neo-luddite for opposing the technology of abortion?
2/20/2023, 3:38:28 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): elections and
trade-unionism are the only things here that don't get you into jail
(with exceptions)
2/20/2023, 3:38:32 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): i havent read any self
described neo luddite texts & i dont want to make an argument based on
a wiki article
2/20/2023, 3:38:39 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): im not anti technology
2/20/2023, 3:38:59 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): i think technology
accelerates bad things
2/20/2023, 3:39:05 PM - xloem: the wiki article reads like a way to
describe modern luddism while keeping the term without the prefix a
historical thing
2/20/2023, 3:39:20 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): WoopWooop: yay, i was
called a luddite by techbros xD
2/20/2023, 3:39:28 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): It disturbs me how Wikipedia
informs so much of peoples thought yet to me at least this does not
seem good or consistent in it's explanation of what a neo luddite
supposedly is.
2/20/2023, 3:39:42 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): its ok
2/20/2023, 3:39:55 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): 99% of the people whose
political vision comes from wikipedia will have abandoned it in 4
years
2/20/2023, 3:39:57 PM - xloem: it's just a luddite
2/20/2023, 3:40:16 PM - xloem: according to the article, neo-luddite
== luddite, distinguishing only in the modern day, not the literal
Luddites from history
2/20/2023, 3:40:41 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): meno-sanark, i think you
under-estimate wikipedia. Wikipdia is a important place where much of
the young generation inform their understandings on things.
2/20/2023, 3:40:43 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): now let me tell u about
neo-liberals...
2/20/2023, 3:40:52 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): It is an important reason to
have an anarchist presence there.
2/20/2023, 3:41:15 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): yeah but i dont want
wikipedia moderators informing the next generation to become anarcho
syndicalists
2/20/2023, 3:42:19 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): nor twitter celebrities nor
youtubers etc
2/20/2023, 3:42:32 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): id rather young people read the news
2/20/2023, 3:42:49 PM - rocinante (IRC): RT? le barf
2/20/2023, 3:43:19 PM - rocinante (IRC): meno-sanark - create
anarchist media outlet like Agency and report on current events from
anarchist perspective
2/20/2023, 3:43:21 PM - rocinante (IRC): ready... go!
2/20/2023, 3:43:51 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): i don't think that all
workers have to dive into theory
2/20/2023, 3:43:58 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): simplification is fine for agitprop
2/20/2023, 3:44:18 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): <rocinante> meno-sanark -
create anarchist media outlet like Agency and report on current events
from anarchist perspective
2/20/2023, 3:44:22 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): I am attempting this currently.
2/20/2023, 3:44:46 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): issue 1 no 1 . the
anarchist news corporation has splintered over the greek economic
crisis
2/20/2023, 3:44:47 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): First, to create short
one-three minute videos with just video or images with text overs.
2/20/2023, 3:45:01 PM - xloem: in #anarchism:matrix.org we started a
tiny anarchy new technology bot. i got blocked around it but we made
some progress. the infrastructure in such bots could do things like
automatically edit wikipedia articles to ensure a minority view is
included (or push for it to take over the article if it's sound).
others are likely already doing such things.
2/20/2023, 3:45:05 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): rocinante: either 1) it
will become opportunist 2) the state will ban it as a terrorist org
2/20/2023, 3:45:19 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): And second to create a ones a
little longer in the similar style but using Text to Voice with some
machine learning stuff to get a natural sounding news-reader.
2/20/2023, 3:45:42 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): xloem this is surely
already being done on a larger scale
2/20/2023, 3:45:55 PM - xloem: yeah but not for anarchism
2/20/2023, 3:46:02 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): exactly
2/20/2023, 3:46:05 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): It will mostly be surface
level stuff, so to go in to some detail but mostly just to inform
people, short enough to be youtube-shorts or to be watched on twitter
without sound and so on.
2/20/2023, 3:46:35 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): good luck introducing
minority opinions on any geopolitical issue contrary to nato gaols
2/20/2023, 3:46:37 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): goals*
2/20/2023, 3:46:38 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): same thing
2/20/2023, 3:46:55 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): Just choose your battles.
2/20/2023, 3:47:17 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): I think this media stuff has
potential. You have all seen similar videos put out by MSM, yes?
2/20/2023, 3:47:18 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): WoopWooop: all "algorithms"
are manually curated
2/20/2023, 3:47:41 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): youtube likes to push
conservative content onto everyone
2/20/2023, 3:47:58 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): not necessarily
2/20/2023, 3:48:11 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): Learning video editing on old
and bad hardware has been the main challenge. And writing non
verbosely so as to fit in boxes on the screen.  It is just practice
currently.
2/20/2023, 3:48:33 PM - xloem: hmm not expecting your reply. this
doesn't seem hard to me. i have a dissociated identity from targeted
political brainwashing last decade that is making further work very
very hard, but if somebody does not have this and has patience to help
us, it's the kind of thing where you could do it in a way nobody would
really notice significantly since everybody else is doing it, and it
could really help.
2/20/2023, 3:48:48 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): media should be publically onwed
2/20/2023, 3:48:53 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): CyberTailor, I do not find
such a defeatist attitude useful. There are examples of leftist
content on video sharing websites, many that reach very high views.
2/20/2023, 3:48:55 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): to allow any pluralism
2/20/2023, 3:49:10 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): such leftist content on
video sharing website is SHIT
2/20/2023, 3:49:17 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): WoopWooop: i'm a doomer, so
i'm gonna doom
2/20/2023, 3:49:43 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): <meno-sanark> such leftist
content on video sharing website is SHIT
2/20/2023, 3:49:44 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): theres only 1 way to
revolution and its organising banner drops
2/20/2023, 3:49:49 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): That's the big problem. A lot
of it is simply bad.
2/20/2023, 3:50:07 PM - xloem: meno-sanark is good at jokes
2/20/2023, 3:50:13 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): meno-sanark: banners do not
organize people
2/20/2023, 3:50:18 PM - xloem: i would be able to work on a media
platform based on those jokes ;p
2/20/2023, 3:50:17 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): :(
2/20/2023, 3:50:19 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): :^)
2/20/2023, 3:50:30 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): Submedia experimented with
those quick short videos i think for twitter and facebook, I need to
find them all where ever they are archived.
2/20/2023, 3:50:38 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): theyre on twitter
2/20/2023, 3:50:46 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): the submedia anarchy robot
annoys me terribly
2/20/2023, 3:51:08 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): I got a little bit more used
to it the last episode or two but they're phasing it out I think.
2/20/2023, 3:51:19 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): maybe this wont go down
well but this is genuinely sincere
2/20/2023, 3:51:21 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): The humour is different is
the main thing for me often.
2/20/2023, 3:51:24 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): what youre describing is pravda
2/20/2023, 3:51:35 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): which would be good
2/20/2023, 3:51:46 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): iskra > pravda
2/20/2023, 3:51:48 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): you cant win in this "media
climate " against the big boys
2/20/2023, 3:52:12 PM - xloem:
<@irc_meno-sanark:riot.anarchyplanet.org "you cant win in this "media
clim..."> it is easy to win, say the big boys are your boss
2/20/2023, 3:52:15 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): this is why i want iran to
fund my new wave movies
2/20/2023, 3:52:21 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): I don't really care about winning.
2/20/2023, 3:52:34 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): precisement
2/20/2023, 3:52:56 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): I just want to create, and if
so, bring eyes to the struggles of our comrades.
2/20/2023, 3:53:06 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): my view is that i should
wait for ww3 to start before i make decisions about what to do
2/20/2023, 3:53:20 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): >"3" >"start" etc
2/20/2023, 3:53:29 PM - xloem: it's important to dissociate and
support people who are trying to help, it makes ww3 a little less
violent
2/20/2023, 3:54:08 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): its only a matter of time
before theres a much more permanent overt security state
2/20/2023, 3:54:42 PM - xloem: there's been one since the dawn of time
it's called human instincts, we take down every single empire
2/20/2023, 3:54:57 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): there are no prerequisites
for ww3 yet
2/20/2023, 3:55:13 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): the reason im locally a bit
of a pariah is bc i dont see the use of Doing Anarchy in the current
climate
2/20/2023, 3:55:27 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): it wont last and lots of it
will come back to bite /comrades/
2/20/2023, 3:55:28 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): be gay do crimes
2/20/2023, 3:56:10 PM - xloem: one thing i've appreciated about the
anti-anarchism politics in some areas is that they help people learn
about anarchy at all. they're part of how i found anarchyplanet.
2/20/2023, 3:57:49 PM - WoopWooop (IRC): How do you mean?
2/20/2023, 3:58:06 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): the good thing about the
state is it motivates people not liking the state
2/20/2023, 3:58:45 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): i think there wont be any
progress until the chips fall
2/20/2023, 3:59:15 PM - xloem: i was on a targeted loosely-anarchic
mailing list where anarchy messages were intermixed with death threats
and insults to members and shit. i clicked through the anarchy
messages and some were from here. i've learned about all sorts of
anarchist stuff by following these disgustingly-wrapped references.
2/20/2023, 3:59:18 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): if things continue the way
they are and conservatives take the lead on every current event that
invovles state overreach im going to die
2/20/2023, 3:59:32 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): thats awesome lol
2/20/2023, 3:59:34 PM - CyberTailor (IRC): prostate
2/20/2023, 4:04:52 PM - meno-sanark (IRC): i wish there were high
speed gambling markets for everything that could possibly occur on
earth
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