War re Ukraine: Thread

grarpamp grarpamp at gmail.com
Thu Feb 16 20:46:27 PST 2023


As anyone following the "news" knows, since 2013 UA has
been in tit tat border and other skirmish with RU, however,
that, and geopolitical games on all sides, including
"support" and "overthrow", is still entirely different from
the outright full new escalation of initiation of invading military
murder and destruction forces across the border and entirety
of another globally recognized sovereign entity.
Putin RU is still guilty of that.

Since crypto hasn't lived up to its promise to end war,
and not even anyone has started a crypto prediction market
for that, maybe truthtellers and admitters [on all sides] will...


NATO Chief Admits: "War Didn't Start In February Last Year, The War
Started In 2014"

https://twitter.com/johnnyjmils/status/1626219779169320960
https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2022/russia-ukraine-conflict-photos-2014/
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210401-new-law-stokes-ukraine-language-tensions
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27173857
https://twitter.com/USEmbassyKyiv
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_211698.htm
https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1625406892087320581
https://twitter.com/ricwe123/status/1626060365078401024
http://uawire.org/zelensky-ukraine-may-reconsider-its-nuclear-status
https://www.unocha.org/story/conflict-cuts-water-supply-thousands-eastern-ukraine
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-19/russia-vs-ukraine-crimea-s-water-crisis-is-an-impossible-problem-for-putin
https://www.unocha.org/story/water-supply-345000-people-eastern-ukraine-risk-donetsk-filter-station-stops-operations

With the one-year anniversary of Russia's Feb.24, 2022 invasion of
Ukraine just around the corner, NATO secretary general Jens
Stoltenberg this week issued some surprising words regarding the
history and origin of the conflict. In essence he finally admitted an
important truth, which is of course extremely rare among top Western
officials these days.

Whereas prior to these fresh remarks by Stoltenberg, US and NATO
officials including major media, have framed the invasion exclusively
as merely one man's (Putin) 'unprovoked' naked aggression bent on
enlarging an 'expansionist Russia', Stoltenberg now much belatedly
admits "the war didn't start in February last year. The war started in
2014."

    🇺🇸🇪🇺🇺🇦🇷🇺"NATO has been training the Ukrainian military
since 2014, NATO partners have been supplying the Ukrainian armed
forces with the necessary weapons and training since 2014" — Jens
Stoltenbergs admits again

    "Unprovoked invasion"... pic.twitter.com/Qa8shKSWXx
    — AZ 🛰🌏🌍🌎 (@AZgeopolitics) February 14, 2023

Here's what the NATO chief said during a briefing to reporters, and in
front of cameras, as also transcribed and published to NATO's official
website...

"The other thing I will say is that the war didn't start in February
last year. The war started in 2014. And since 2014, NATO Allies have
provided support to Ukraine, with training, with equipment, so the
Ukrainian Armed Forces were much stronger in 2022, than they were in
2020, and 2014. And of course, that made a huge difference when
President Putin decided to attack Ukraine," Stoltenberg said.

And of course, a central reason for the war articulated by President
Putin both in the lead-up to the invasion and after has consistently
been that the West was waging an anti-Russia proxy war right at its
doorstep, namely in the war-torn Donbass.

It also bears recalling that throughout last year, and especially in
the opening months of the major Russian invasion, any independent
voice daring to point out that the conflict in fact originated in 2014
- and that the current fighting is an extension and escalation of the
'long war' - was denounced as somehow 'pro-Kremlin' or else a 'Putin
puppet' in mainstream discourse.
Image via Reuters/DW

Below are some essential facts and a much-needed trip down memory lane
concerning the lead-up to Feb 2022 to understand what we and other
independent voices have been saying for years, and what Stoltenberg
has just now very belatedly and reluctantly admitted:

    The current Ukrainian government was created in 2014 after a
violent, American-backed coup against the elected President Viktor
Yanukovich. The so-called "Maidan Revolution" painted itself as pro-EU
and liberal, but relied on ultranationalist terror militias such as
Right Sector for its muscle.
        Profile: Ukraine's ultra-nationalist Right Sector - BBC News
    Ukraine's new government has banned the Russian language in
schools and businesses, even though it is spoken by most of the
residents in the Donbas region as their first language (and throughout
other parts of the country as well):
        New law stokes Ukraine language tensions - France 24
    Pre-February 2022, Ukraine had already lost about 14,000 lives
fighting to prevent the ethnically Russian provinces of Lugansk and
Donetsk from permanently seceding (the 14,000 figure includes deaths
from both sides of the civil war in eastern Ukraine). The unpopular
war has been going on since 2014.
        The Russia-Ukraine conflict: a look back at the human toll of
fighting since 2014 - The Washington Post
    Few Western journalists are willing to show the misery this
conflict has brought to the residents of the Donbas, or the war crimes
that have been inflicted upon them. Patrick Lancaster has been one of
the few reporting on this:
        Patrick Lancaster - YouTube
    The Ukrainian government has frequently shut off water to the
disputed territories, including Crimea, even while they claim
sovereignty over them.
        Water supply to 345,000 people in eastern Ukraine at risk as
Donetsk Filter Station stops operations | OCHA (unocha.org)
        Russia vs Ukraine: Crimea’s Water Crisis Is an Impossible
Problem for Putin - Bloomberg.
        Conflict cuts water supply for thousands in eastern Ukraine |
OCHA (unocha.org)
    It's now ok to praise Nazis on Facebook-- as long as they're "our Nazis":
        Facebook Allows Praise of Ukraine’s Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion
(theintercept.com)
    Ukrainian President Zelensky suggested last year that if the
country could not join NATO, he would pursue re-arming the country
with nuclear weapons.
        UAWire - Zelensky: Ukraine may reconsider its nuclear status
        The New York Times calls this "Putin's conspiracy theory", as
if the words didn't come straight from the Ukrainian President's mouth
on multiple occasions.

In the Russian view, the United States has the ability and willingness
to unilaterally destroy or overthrow any government that does not do
its bidding. The experience of Serbia (1999), Iraq (2003), Syria
(2011), Libya (2011), and most recently Ukraine (2014) and the attempt
in Belarus (2021) seem to support their perspective.

Those who are going on about Russia's "imperial ambitions" under
"Communist dictator Vladimir Putin" have little knowledge about any of
this, or why the Russians might feel legitimately threatened by having
a US-sponsored and NATO-aligned regime for a neighbor.

Below: a rare past instance of what real journalism looks like, often
completely missing in the administration's press briefing rooms...

    Pentagon bullshitter John Kirby confronted with persistent
journalist..... pic.twitter.com/Q69lglv43y
    — Richard (@ricwe123) February 16, 2023

Consider: for over two hundred years, the American "Monroe Doctrine"
has stated that no foreign power will be allowed to form a military
alliance with any nation in the entire Western Hemisphere. This is the
bedrock principle of American foreign policy.

Compare this to Europe. Kiev and Moscow are separated by a mere 470
miles of flat land. What Russian leader in their right mind would
allow an "anti-Russia" to be created and then armed in its own back
yard?

It's not like any of this is a new concern. The Russians have been
straight forward about this concern for thirty years, right up to the
last ditch public appeal they delivered in December. Recall that
ideological fanatics occupying our foreign service responded by
sending massive shipments full of weapons into Ukraine, and then
tweeted out photos of the cargo aircraft flying them in.

Well, as the last year of horrific death and destruction in Ukraine
has shown, the necons and wokesters finally got their war. Now they're
making sure it gets fought down to the last Ukrainian, resulting in
very sad and tragic spectacles like the following...

    I find this video particularly morbid. An American asking a
Ukrainian teenager what it will be like, going to the front to fight
in an American proxy war… pic.twitter.com/mmG05UriwQ
    — Johnny miller (@johnnyjmils) February 16, 2023


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