FreeSpeech and Censorship: Thread

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Tue Sep 27 23:26:00 PDT 2022

Jacinda Ardern is a tyrant, cut from the same cloth as her
smiling-when-fucking-you-over shitbag politician Justin Trudeau...

New Zealand Prime Minister Calls for a Global Censorship System

Res ipsa loquitur – The thing itself speaks
Free Speech, International	September 25, 2022	

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is the latest liberal leader
to call for an international alliance to censor speech. Unsatisfied
with the unprecedented corporate censorship of social media companies,
leaders like Hillary Clinton have turned from private censorship to
good old-fashioned state censorship. Speech regulation has become an
article of faith on the left. Ardern used her speech this week to the
United Nations General Assembly to call for censorship on a global

Ardern lashed out at “disinformation” and called for a global
coalition to control speech. After nodding toward free speech, she
proceeded to lay out a plan for its demise through government

    But what if that lie, told repeatedly, and across many platforms,
prompts, inspires, or motivates others to take up arms. To threaten
the security of others. To turn a blind eye to atrocities, or worse,
to become complicit in them. What then?

    This is no longer a hypothetical. The weapons of war have changed,
they are upon us and require the same level of action and activity
that we put into the weapons of old.

    We recognized the threats that the old weapons created. We came
together as communities to minimize these threats. We created
international rules, norms and expectations. We never saw that as a
threat to our individual liberties – rather, it was a preservation of
them. The same must apply now as we take on these new challenges.

Ardern noted how extremists use speech to spread lies without noting
that non-extremists use the same free speech to counter such views.
To answer her question on “how do you tackle climate change if people
do not believe it exists” is that you convince people using the same
free speech.  Instead, Ardern appears to want to silence those who
have doubts.

While referring to a global censorship coalition as a “light-touch
approach to disinformation,” Ardern revealed how sweeping such a
system would likely be. She defended the need for such global
censorship on having to combat those who question climate change and
the need to stop “hateful and dangerous rhetoric and ideology.”

    “After all, how do you successfully end a war if people are led to
believe the reason for its existence is not only legal but noble? How
do you tackle climate change if people do not believe it exists? How
do you ensure the human rights of others are upheld, when they are
subjected to hateful and dangerous rhetoric and ideology?”

That is the same rationale used by authoritarian countries like China,
Iran, and Russia to censor dissidents, minority groups, and political
rivals.  What is “hateful” and “dangerous” is a fluid concept that
government have historically used to silence critics or dissenters.

Ardern is the smiling face of the new generation of censors. At least
the old generation of censors like the Iranians do not pretend to
support free speech and openly admit that they are crushing dissent.
The point is that we need to be equally on guard when censorship is
pushed from the left with the best of motivations and the worst of

As the great civil libertarian Justice Louis Brandeis once said, “the
greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of
zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.”

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    Johnathan Galt says:	
    September 27, 2022 at 12:49 PM	

    What we need is a global order to censor Jacinda.
    GioCon says:	
    September 27, 2022 at 10:42 AM	

    No American elected that b*tch, so she should stick to censoring
her own tiny corner of the earth. Of course, none of these idiots ever
answer the question: Who gets to determine what is “disinformation”?
They just assume it’ll be themselves. Until it won’t.
    Paul says:	
    September 27, 2022 at 2:55 AM	

    Adern is a fraud. Her government is in the final stages of
building NZ’s largest wind farm in a residential zone at Turitea,
Palmerston North. The wind farm does not have a consent. Shonagh
Kenderdine, for 13 months and with government oversight, faked being a
judge, granting a fake consent for the wind farm located right on the
Wellington and Northern Ohariu faults. The previous government sold
off 49% of Mercury Energy to investors which owns this asset without
telling them that it is subjected to massive earthquakes. A very
recent video on YouTube “Out there learning” has gone viral about the
extreme hazards the lower half of the North Island faces.
    Adern knows all this and is hiding it. Search for
“turiteadocuments” to find out more.
    David B Benson says:	
    September 26, 2022 at 10:18 PM	

    Is not not the further Righters who support censorship?
        David B Benson says:	
        September 26, 2022 at 10:25 PM	

        I don’t see anything in
        supportive of censorship.

        I opine that Jonathan Turley is confused, once again.
        onedigger22 says:	
        September 26, 2022 at 11:59 PM	

        Wikipedia? LOL!!! Your head is clearly where the sun don’t
shine and you think it’s an enlightening place to be, full of s-t just
as you’re analysis. The Fascist left has always been about censorship;
hence facebook, instagram, twitter are constantly shutting down free
speech that doesn’t march in lock step with the lefts totalitarian

        Thankfully we have Turley and others exposing your hypocrisy
as well as the New Zealand’s PM.
        Carr says:	
        September 27, 2022 at 1:55 AM	

        Wiki is incredibly censored by the left, and you come here
citing Wiki? lol
        John Say says:	
        September 27, 2022 at 4:56 AM	

        I will fight anyone pushing ACTUAL censorship, right, left,
        I do not care.
        I rarely find myself fighting against actual censorship from the right.
        I constantly find myself fighting actual censorship from the left.

        People right or left coming together to select or oppose a
curicula for public schools – not censorship.
        Sometimes – such as the curicula pushed by the left – it is
idiocy. Regardless, schools are not dealing with adults,
        and we do not have infinite time to educate children. It would
be wise for them to learn how to read, write and add,
        Before they take on questions of whenher Gender is a choice.

        Conversely killing stories on social media – Censorship.
        Driving speakers you do not like off your college campus – censorship.
        Government telling social media companies who to block and
what to block – massive unconstitutional censorship – of the kind
there is no remedy for.

        Firebombing pro-life pregnancy clinics – censorship.
        Murdering teens you claim are ultra-MAGA – censorship – also murder.

        I have not followed your link. Wikipedia is sometimes valuable.
        But it is pretty bad when you need wikipedia to tell you what
is happening right in front of your eyes.

        Without doing a search and from your own experience – what
examples do you have of ACTUAL right wing censorship ?
        Few of us have any trouble recalling dozens of examples on the left.

        We do not need wikipedia to tell us what is right in front of our eyes.
    Martin Holsinger says:	
    September 26, 2022 at 2:48 PM	

    Look, the neoliberals are not “the left.” They’re center-right. I
know because I’m really on the left (anti-imperialist socialist) and
they’re censoring me.
        Jeff Id says:	
        September 27, 2022 at 5:49 PM	

        Left of the left is hard to do these days
    Prairie Rose says:	
    September 26, 2022 at 1:33 PM	

    “Ardern noted how extremists use speech to spread lies”

    Therefore, politicians are extremists since they have a nasty
tendency to spread lies. Hmm…tempting conclusion.
        Anonymous says:	
        September 26, 2022 at 2:12 PM	

        What she said does not imply what you inferred.
            Prairie Rose says:	
            September 26, 2022 at 9:19 PM	

            I know. But it is tempting to skew things, too.
        bobdog says:	
        September 26, 2022 at 3:53 PM	

        Oh, noes, Rose…When a politician lies to us, it’s privileged
speech. If we lie to them, it’s a felony.
        Mike Howard says:	
        September 26, 2022 at 5:25 PM	

        In the case of Ardern and her rabble – that is absolutely
correct. They create the lying environment through lack of
transparency!! Give her a job at her socialist led UN and get her
right out of our hair!!!
    Anonymous says:	
    September 26, 2022 at 11:50 AM	

    ” you clearly don’t understand what constitutes libel.”

    Anonymous: You are ignorant. You need a dictionary. Libel = a defamation.
    Foxtrot Juliet Bravo says:	
    September 26, 2022 at 11:00 AM	

    Ardern and her ilk are too stupid to tell me how to live.
    Sam says:	
    September 26, 2022 at 10:39 AM	

    Ardern is a typical, dishonest authoritarian who desires to usurp
rights, while pretending to protect rights. Their formula is always
this (e.g., with respect to the right to free speech): “I'[m in favor
of free speech, but . . .”

    That “but” is an authoritarian’s tell. It tells you that there’s a
shyster in the room who’s about to pick your pocket. What comes after
her “but” is this: Global governments must control (i.e., censor)
“disinformation.” Which, of course, means that governments must censor
opinions and speech that they don’t agree with.

    The most important role of the right to free speech is not to
protect those who agree. It’s to protect dissenters.
        Todd says:	
        September 26, 2022 at 7:57 PM	

        I’m not a repub or dem, but this all is being taken out of
context. There is judicial precedent in common-law nations for
distinction/handling between individual speech and mass published
speech. It’s obvious NZ is not an authoritarian nation — the
conservative CATO institute just ranked NZ the freest country in the
world (US #17), and they rank most social democratic countries higher
than the US. Moreover, Ardern’s speeches are entirely more cogent and
objective than any US politician.
            Carr says:	
            September 27, 2022 at 1:57 AM	

            We have seen what they’ve done in NZ and Oz, we’re not blind.
            John Say says:	
            September 27, 2022 at 5:26 AM	

            Lets not misrepresent.
            Most of the countries you call “social democrat” aren’t.
            They may have a party named the social democratic party
that sometimes wins elections.
            But these countries are neither socialist. nor democracies.
    Mary says:	
    September 26, 2022 at 9:59 AM	

    How could the 20th-century despots have missed out on such
opportunities to censor and track their citizens as are available now?
This woman is behind the times in her thinking, but it’s frightening
that so many agree with her.
    Darren Smith says:	
    September 26, 2022 at 6:40 AM	

    Shakdi Dagalimal says:	
    September 26, 2022 at 12:32 AM	

    That’s great, we shut her up first. Gagged, a ball muzzle, 3
stacked masks, and no pen
and paper or hand signals.
    Wow, that would be great., not another word from that weirdo
tyrannist ever again.

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