Cypherpunks Mailing List Info

[John Young]

There have been quite a few branches of cpunks by those who want a particular version rather than the whole thing. A few have lasted, like the cryptography list,but most peter out after a while.
 
Subscribers come and go, some come back, some stay for the same old shit, adding to the pile, and watch newbies trash and bash the list, try to make it into something they want and usually fail due to nobody wanting to do whatever the meddler wants to do.
 
Commonplace are subscribers who keep their identity private, use pseudos, vary their monikers, provoke and condemn, try to get the host to fix whatever rubs them wrongly. Go away frustrated to try their pukefest elsewhere.
 
Some subscribers die, sign up to be an undercover TLA informer, accuse others of being rat finks, dispense rumors and disinfo and misinfo and hatred and prejudice and condescension and stupidity.
 
Same bullshit happens on all social media, nowhere to find the perfect place to be the king of fuck-ups so only bots can do the cult of magic, for a fee of course.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Newby 
Sent: May 2, 2022 6:08 PM
To: cypherpunks 
Subject: Re: Cypherpunks Mailing List Info
 
I missed the earlier note yesterday:
 
On Mon, May 02, 2022 at 03:45:49PM -0400, Karl Semich wrote:
> On Sun, May 1, 2022, 9:49 PM punk wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > https://lists.cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks
> >
> > "the list is frequented...by spooks, trolls, and other sources of
> > negative influence, surveillance or disruption. Sabotage, COINTELPRO and
> > other forms of subversion or attack are often observed."
> >
> >
> > I think that whoever wrote that, Greg? should also publish the
> > list of government agents who engage in sabotage, COINTELPRO, etc.
 
I didn't write that, someone else did.
 
I don't know anything about who are the subscribers to the list. It's an open list, so there is no reason for government or whomever to approach me if they want to monitor the list.
 
 
 
> > Whoever wrote that obviously knows who these 'actors' are, and
> > there's no reason for him to protect them.
> >
> >
> > I'll be waiting, as I think any other honest poster will.
> >
>
> Reminds of before I forgot everything, seeing that quote.
>
> Things seemed much simpler on only one side.
>
> Would you like we started a list? Maybe we could start with properties of
> behavior, see if any cross-correlate with properties of spy orgs. Maybe
> scrape archives for helpful experience logs or something, if they're still
> there by the time they're downloaded.
 
Raw data to facilitate analysis of writings by people who have posted to cypherpunks is easy enough - the full archive is freely available, and even the archive from before the list was in its current home.
 
https://lists.cpunks.org
 
Of course, that doesn't help with (a) lurkers, (b) remailers/redistributors, (c) people who don't subscribe, but watch the archives, and (d) any other surveillance to individual or collective list members.
~ Greg
 
 
> I could use my behavior properties being labeled and timestamped pretty
> badly.
>
> >