Assassination Politics
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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 20
June 2009 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus.
Proposed deletion This page was proposed for deletion by Bigdaddy1981
(talk · contribs) on 13 June 2009.
It was contested by Colonel Warden (talk · contribs) on 2009-06-19
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Contents
1 Melodramatic opinion
2 Missing sources?
3 Issues
4 The discussion is not quite historically correct
5 Needs Revision
6 Sloppy thinking
6.1 Vote
7 Trillion dollar hit
8 Unclear Writing
9 Al Qaeda
10 Jim Bell mention missing?
11 "Wikipedia does not allow the URL of this source"
12 Online marketplace has closed
13 Identical to Agatha Christie Book
14 Assassination market cashed out
15 List of murders ordered via markets
Melodramatic opinion
Resolved
– Objectionable passage deleted, per WP:NOR/WP:NPOV/WP:NOT#SOAPBOX.
The final sentence of the article, "If the concept is taken up as
civil disobedience as suggested by Jim Bell then this could easily
lead to the end of all open and above ground government anywhere on
earth," seems a bit too apocalyptic for a serious encyclopedia.
this is kind of intense, but given the sophistication of Al Qaeda
etc., I am quite sure we are not telling them anything here they don't
already know...
Missing sources?
Resolved
– Not missing.
Interestingly, much of the material describing this stuff is no longer
on the open web...
This isn't true really. Large proportions of the very early
cypherpunks archives are on the web. [1] This topic was discussed
there heavily 1993 onwards. The ideas are all covered at a broad level
in Cyphernomicon and Bell's Assassination politics articles.
Among other archive sites of CP materials, and of course
archive.org. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 08:06, 28 February
2011 (UTC)[reply]
Issues
Resolved
– Long since fixed.
The "Jim Bell" link to zolatimes redirects to another location which
yields 404 "File not found".
The final sentence of the third paragrpah is incomplete. It ends "it
is substantially more difficult to assign criminal liability for the
action(s)." Substantially more difficult than what?
Dominus 14:50 Mar 12, 2003 (UTC)
The discussion is not quite historically correct
Tim May had already discussed the idea of cryptographic protocols
enabling the existence of abhorrent markets (such as assassination
markets) before Jim Bell's "Assassination Politics" post (which was
intially to the cypherpunks mailing list, iirc.
I personally recall seeing such discussion in the extropians mailing
list ~1993-1994 and on cypherpunks in 1994.
Tim May is easily discovered on Usenet, so finding his email address
is simple. I recommend contacting him for his version of events.
This discussion is peurile imo because Jim Bell is misrepresented and
unable to defend himself.Jim was the first to bring out the great
libertory and freeing effects that assassination politics would bring
to the world. Quite the opposite tack to the neo-nazi Tim Mays '
abhorrent' markets. Jims conception was less of a market and more of a
mass movement of civil disobedience and he is quite explicit about
that toward the end of his ten page essay. Jim was investigated,
charged and is serving hard time today whereas no one knows where the
neo-nazi Tim May is and no one cares. Jim Bell was arrested and
charged while at the same time the pentagon was stealing the concept
and renaming it ' Policy analysis markets.' Shades of the infamous
theft of PROMIS software from the INSLAW company.From my reading of
the cypherpunks list it peaked with the genius, Jim Bells
contributions circa 1996-7 and then declined rapidly under the flaming
racist meglomania of the neo-nazi Tim May. Stuff about Jim is stored
at Cryptome inc trial testimony and he should be released in 2010, a
prophet without honor in his own land and in his own time, Jim Bell is
a latter day Martin Luther King and assassination politics is the
death warrant for all governments.
Last time I checked, Martin Luther King didn't tell people to kill people.
Jim Bell did not write his Assassination Politics essay in 1997. It
was begun in early 1995, and various chapters were written over the
next year+. (One chapter was not written by Jim Bell: It was written
by a journalist, writing for Asahi Evening News, in reaction to Bell's
essay: Bell chose to include it in the AP essay because it was
well-written and entertaining.) Finally, Jim Bell is no longer in
prison, having been released March 12, 2012. If he hadn't been
released, this paragraph would not have appeared. Jamesdbell8 (talk)
04:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Needs Revision
The article says:
the assassination of major figures such as Saddam Hussein would
have an immediate impact--very profitable for anyone anticipating it.
With the capture and imprisonment of Saddam Hussein, this remark
appears to be obsolete.
-- Dominus 16:19, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I changed Hussein to King Fahd of Saudi Arabia - that seems to solve
the problem raised above, and also probably constitutes a better
example than Hussein, because even before his capture Iraq's
participation in world oil markets was highly restricted, whereas
Saudi Arabia is a massive force in oil, and so the assassination of
King Fahd would likely have even greater effect.
Sloppy thinking
There are two concepts of assassination markets that are used in this
entry, and they are quite different. They are horribly mixed up in
this article.
The first is that of a futures exchange where you can (anonymously or
not) speculate on the assassination of a certain individual on a
certain date. This is similar to the Policy Analysis Market that were
suggested and that are highly discredited by now.
The second is that of assassins, who themselves (or their peers)
profit financially from the assassinations they carry out through bets
in financial markets. This is not an 'assassination market'. It is
just insider trading in well-established markets.
My suggestion is to just merge this into Prediction market - and keep
it there as a footnote - DocendoDiscimus 18:54, 26 September 2005
(UTC)[reply]
Vote
Against! I dont agree with you. This article should be kept as a
separate part. It concerns the theory about assasination markets as
proposed by Jim Bell (or whatever his name is) both as a conspiracy
theory and as he (Tim) thought about it. Also, and this is equally
important as the first argument, it considers what impact cryptography
mixed with capitalism/crypto-anarchism (onion routing esp.) has on
society. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.11.232.248
(talk • contribs) 21 July 2006.
Oppose You seem to misunderstand the concept; the
prediction market is what provides the incentive for the assassins to
operate, thereby instead of being a mere futures exchange, the
prediction market in effect becomes somewhere to commission
assassinations on a given date. Skomorokh incite 11:49, 7 November
2007 (UTC)[reply]
Against! Historically it has been called assassination markets. —
Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.32.81 (talk) 18:10, 28
November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Trillion dollar hit
The article seems to imply that Al Qaeda traders made a trillion
dollars on shorting airline stocks after the 11 September attacks. As
the NYSE total market cap is about $19.7 trillion I find it very hard
to believe that any group could make 5% of this on one series of
trades. I'm going to tone down this claim unless someone can come up
with a reputable cite. Lisiate 01:40, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I read at the time that there was Al Qaeda was suspected of
manking about $200 million ”going a bear” on airline stocks; this
money was probably more about raising fianances than an alternative
justification for the act. Scott197827 22:48, 21 March 2006
(UTC)[reply]
I don't see how it could be read to even remotely imply that
al-Qaeda made a trillion-dollar profit on 9/11...rather, it's simply
referring to the severe decline that occurred on the stock markets
that day (which may indeed have decreased the NYSE's total market cap
by a trillion dollars) Kurt Weber 15:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Unclear Writing
"Certainly the expensive investigations, arrests and prosecutions of
Jim Bell, Carl Johnson and Matt Taylor were not theoretical. Were
enough activists to join them then the entire process of repression
would have to be seriously compromised. And this 'denial of service'
attack from the net would work with even more synergy if following on
from any external and directly physical attack. This threat to the
state is verifiable. The threat is real - albeit virtual - because
first responders would be distracted."
What's going on in this paragraph here? It sounds like it was
written by Charlie Brown's teacher. 154.20.115.35 (talk) 06:04, 5
December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Al Qaeda
If somebody wants a ref to the Al Qaeda debate, here it is, [2] - dont
know why it has been deleted from the original version of the article.
Power.corrupts (talk) 17:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Er, no. That is a computer-generated book taking its information
from... Wikipedia. Bit circular. Fences&Windows 21:23, 25 June 2009
(UTC)[reply]
Jim Bell mention missing?
I don't have time to look for it right now, but it seems as if this
article is missing something. I came here after seeing the discussion
on Jim Bell's page, but Bell isn't even mentioned on this page. The
only mention is in the final paragraph...
"He began an initiative called Operation Soft Drill — a term which
reporter Declan McCullagh wrote was created by Bell — with the stated
intention of intimidating police and corporate polluters into
respecting human rights."
It looks like an earlier reference to Bell was removed, leaving only
this passing mention. I'm not familiar with the article myself, and
I'm heading out for a while, but I thought I'd mention it for some of
the editors who are more familiar with the article. Thanks in advance.
Dayewalker (talk) 23:28, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I put Bell back in, though he did not originate any of the terms
in question. The text before my re-adding edits was senseless, since
it referred to both "Bell" and "assassination politics" in totally
non-sequiturial ways. I just added some Bell stuff from scratch,
without reference to earlier versions of the article. Someone or other
is POV-warring on this article to remove any mention of Bell, and that
cannot stand. But maybe earlier versions were objectionable in some
way(s). I'm not friend or fan of Bell (nor his enemy), but he
unquestionably played a very major role in this issue. Frankly, he
scared the hell out of a lot of people, more so than May (Denning
notwithstanding), since May wasn't too detailed, while Bell really
wanted to implement this. NB: The fact that assassination futures
(another term that should probably be added) are among the most
scary-for-lotsa-people aspects of crypto-anarchism isn't really
covered, and people like Dorothy Denning are not mentioend at all.
Some stuff can probably be reworked from the main Crypto-anarchism
article. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 08:06, 28 February 2011
(UTC)[reply]
I want to know about assassination-futures!!! Please add whatever you
know about it! If you dont have sources, please just dump some hints
here, and maybe I can dig it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by
83.254.32.81 (talk) 18:08, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Wikipedia does not allow the URL of this source"
I've just replaced a reference that simply said the above (see this
version of the article) with a 'citation needed' tag.
I'm guessing this was a Tor URL - does anybody know? And does
Wikipedia really not allow these?
Let me know and I'll raise it elsewhere on Wikipedia if necessary, as
being able to cite Tor sites would certainly be useful for articles
like this!
Jonathan Deamer (talk) 17:52, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I was linking to the URL of the assassination
market-implementation itself. Wikipedia stopped me when I submitted,
with the error message that the URL was blacklisted. Maybe its because
its an assassination market. I do not like this policy. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by 83.254.32.81 (talk) 18:04, 28 November 2013
(UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see. This article and this Reddit thread led me to
Wikipedia's spam blacklist, which seems to include *all* .onion URLs.
Jonathan Deamer (talk) 18:14, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a couple of additional discussions on the inclusion of
.onion links. Seems that they're not allowed because of WP:ELNO#EL7,
which lists "Sites that are inaccessible to a substantial number of
users, such as sites that only work with a specific browser or in a
specific country" under "Links normally to be avoided". Jonathan
Deamer (talk) 18:48, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@83.254.32.81 and Jonathandeamer: I am assured that
official .onion links for pages will be whitelisted. See [3] and [4]
(both of those links will eventually have to be redone/archiving) I am
told the main concern is that they might be substituted with bogus
links by unscrupulous editors. To be sure, I didn't get this link to
work, but on the other hand, it seems impossible to be certain that it
is down for good, even if taking the pot and closing shop sure seems
like a smart move. In any case, I think we will eventually need to
keep track of which Assassination Market we were talking about, since
any idea this spectacularly bad never goes out of style. Wnt (talk)
16:43, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Online marketplace has closed
Original research from myself has determined the site closed in June
2014 and that the money never moved since. Alas I am not a reliable
source, but I am on the only one AFAIK.
http://pirate.london/2015/11/whatever-happened-to-the-crowd-sourced-assassination-marketplace/
Deku-shrub (talk) 22:33, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is relatively easy to verify that the monies has not been moved
from the accounts. Wikipedia accepts references to public databases
for example when referencing genetic sequences, publicly known
mathematical constansts and whatnot, so it should be possible to
reference the bitcoin blockchain too, right? Here is the transaction
history and balance for the account dedicated to Bernanke
assassination: blockchain.info page for the account.
2001:2002:51E3:8007:3AD5:47FF:FEB9:111D (talk) 17:08, 20 July 2017
(UTC)[reply]
Identical to Agatha Christie Book
The terms of this website appear identical to the plot of an Agatha
Christie book, the Pale Horse (1961). I wonder if this is relevant for
the main page.
Assassination market cashed out
https://pirate.london/fake-blockchain-assassination-market-remembers-his-wallets-are-now-worth-1-3-773447f94b80
Deku-shrub (talk) 18:11, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I updated it with RS
https://harpers.org/archive/2020/01/click-here-to-kill-dark-web-hitman/
Zezen (talk) 14:41, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that partial agreement. See the Pirate London site for more
such cases (from the US) or details. Bows. Zezen (talk) 04:34, 29
December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
List of murders ordered via markets
This
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47747357
apart from more famous ones. Zezen (talk) 15:58, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That wasn't via a market Deku-shrub (talk) 19:11, 25 December 2019
(UTC)[reply]
BBC says it was:
The documents seen by BBC Russian suggest the man who allegedly placed
the order for the murder [on Hydra market], who goes by the pseudonym
Miguel Morales, was being investigated by Lt Col Shishkina
while other sources are much more specific.
The first "Internet hitman requests", market-based or otherwise, date
to 2004 and earlier:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2004/may/29/crime.uknews
Zezen (talk) 14:29, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fair, I had not read into that. None the less, that was arranged
by a general purpose darknet market, not a murder-specific one
Deku-shrub (talk) 15:02, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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