[ot][personal] cult reading notes

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On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 10:16 AM Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery,
One Victim of Many
<gmkarl+brainwashingandfuckingupthehackerslaves at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> as i get farther into the cult book, i understand the importance of
> writing down what you agree, disagree, or want to look more into, as
> the author says to do.
>
> it is so rare to hear somebody talking about what the book talks
> about, and it engages my experiences when done, that i can forget the
> things i disagree about with the author entirely and begin believing
> whatever he says.
>
> ch3:
>
> - i so much agree with BITE. nobody ever says this. systematic control
> of Behavior, Information, Thoughts and Emotions. [confused: BITE must
> mean how we are eating people's spirits like zombies eating brains.]
>
> - i don't think it's clear to call all influence groups cults when
> cults inspire images of people in robes worshiping dead animals, not
> really a huge thing
>
> - i disagree that meditation with belief in eventual levitation or
> flying is harmful. i believe this is a good thing, without destructive
> attributes itself, to give people inspiration to spend time becoming
> more thoughtful. i do not mind that popular science believes that
> levitation does not happen from pensation: many people hold belief
> systems that have disparity with popular science, and use this as
> reason for prayer or dedicated behavior. i have no trouble considering
> that this belief is _used_ harmfully by some people.
> i think personally i see the belief as an analogy to how, when you
> meditate well and long enough, you begin seeing more and more things
> that others do not ever see: things you can do, reasons people do
> things, etc etc. this seems it could become a similar super power to
> flying. personally, i found i develop a comparable feeling to flying
> when i gain mastery over my body like with skilled free running.
>
> - MOVE is mentioned as an example of a cult. it was an activism group
> for black people. given MOVE was so politically targeted that most
> members were killed by the police, it seems far more likely that the
> political targeting (and disreputating messaging) was engaging in any
> destructive influence than the group. counter ref 62
>
> - similarly i am of course skeptical that a democratic workers
> collective would be a destructive cult, and worry some around
> political harm in the label; workers collectives have been repeatedly
> targeted, sometimes killed en masse by corporations or governments, in
> our nation's and global history. counter ref 64
>
> fragment: pierce told me "some of us are felons, some of us have
> families." i mentioned worrying about being tracked with my phone to
> pierce. he had me turn it on, and then suddenly cory visited, and
> spoke to me about the red and the blue. he lay down on the floor next
> to pierce's bed, just waiting. we had an intuitive conversation where
> he would wait and be silent before each thing he said. [sarah said a
> fragment of an expression to me, as if people were saying things that
> only made sense if all taken together as parts of the same sentence]
> finished writing fragment 2022-08-20 1033 [the interaction seemed very influential and strange. cory would often say he "was just happy to be involved". he said he had come off a long hiking trail, but lived as a homeless person who never left the city. i was in an intense state of mind, near the end of behaving with strong intuition. i think i had taken a jesus emblem with me, and showed a text message to sarah on my phone.]
>
> - farther along, the author says that a concern around worrying about
> mind control is that everything can be seen as mind control, as if
> this is a struggle normal people have. i have also been exposed to
> this belief. it is not normal at all. where did it come from?
>
> - further: it seems reasonable to say that the only reason it would be
> unclear whether a group is destructive or non-destructive, after
> observing it, would be due to influence preventing this clarity.
> clearly this clarity is needed badly.
>
> - in the section regarding childhood sexual abuse, which explains how
> learned phobias produce an environment for repeat abuse, i became
> worried for a friend i love, who was sexually abused as a child. this
> worry shortly became numb and hidden for me, and is hard for me to
> consider now.
>
> - "Put a person into a situation where his senses are overloaded with
> non-coherent information, and the mind will go "numb" as a protective
> mechanism. It gets confused and overwhelmed, and critical faculties no
> longer work properly. It is in this weakened state that people become
> very open to suggestion."
>
> - i'm thinking of how my influence seemed to me to pretend to be the
> things i was passionate about, kind of starting off with offering a
> "deal" that if i "really wanted to get involved" i would need to do
> this or that
>
> - somewhat uncomfortable around the recommendation of trusting search
> results regarding terms like "criminal" or "abuser". i think i have
> hits around "criminal" as does somebody i respect have "abuser", where
> these hits are from disinformation in my opinion. one possible
> difference: if a powerful influence is involved and it is disreputing
> the person, the hits go near the top; if a powerful influence is
> involved and it is supporting the person, the hits go near the bottom.
> anyway it is very normal to do such web searchers, so it's mostly
> moot.
>
> - the book does not yet describe how the sharedness of indoctrination
> techniques between groups and how this indicates collaboration among
> the cult leaders. it could be important to remember that we are at a
> time where power is catalyzing and everyone must protect the freedom
> of the entire world.
>
> - it's hard for me to see forthright faith healing as a human rights
> violation; death is a needed part of life and truly is the domain of a
> deity, and the placebo effect is very strong. obviously if the efforts
> are deceptive or disinformative and non-spiritual in benefit or
> result, things are different.
>
> - maybe what's reasonable to consider here is that the author is
> describing a horrific lifelong torture that few people can imagine,
> and it is very hard to convey this to someone who has not experienced
> it.
>
> - the book mentions another book by Harvey Schwartz that mentions
> wolves and sheep and soldiers, and internalized perpetration. it is
> about terrorist recruitment of children, but likely the techniques and
> stories have overlap with other things. my experience had
> wolf/sheep/soldier themes. it seemed to me a wolf was a mind
> controller; it seemed to me a sheep was somebody who didn't want to be
> one; it seemed to me a soldier was somebody who had seen the horrors
> of these things (and [did urgent work?]) and had ptsd and other things
> from it.
>
> - it looks like the book author's community needs help setting laws to
> protect people from mind control groups
>
> - it would have been hard to help me as i [learned to] identified all
> things as my own psychological issues