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Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim of Many gmkarl at gmail.com
Sat Apr 23 01:34:48 PDT 2022


Well, it's an interesting space.

The proposed pathological process is tasked basically with being
unpredictable in the face of a prediction process that expects it to do so
and has unlimited time to prepare.

This prediction process could for example consider many possible shapes of
environments, ecosystems, knowledge and research exposure the pathological
process would be exposed to.

The pathological process might for example generate new random universes,
with random physical laws, and perform simulations within these in order to
consider things unlikely to be predicted.

How large is this space? Does it matter?

Both systems will likely attempt to derive general descriptions of systems
in which inferences can be made.

I am very off track! Is this relevent? At what point is it relevent or not?

No. Things are only relevent when they relate to challenges we might
encounter in the real world.

In reality, computational systems are relatively small. They exist in tiny
algorithmic systems inside our larger universe. One can be fully observed
by another, and two can mutually fully observe each other.

An all-prediction program would then be tasked with sufficiently hiding its
workings from pathological programs, and observing and preparing for their
behavior in advance of engaging them. This is entirely possible only if it
has access to all other program forms before it is tasked to work with
them. The program's spec would provide it with that access.

I don't know why Turing assumes that the predicted program can observe the
predicting program. Have not read the paper. Don't know what concepts are
within its scope.

In reality, programs happen that are not observed by another given program
prior to their execution, and such situations aren't usually considered
interesting when trying to predict program behavior alone.

Concept closes to writing a program which predicts whether another halts,
which means writing something similar to an optimizing compiler and an
algebraic solver. Some of the spaces of algebraic solution do indeed look
unreasonable to solve given how many unproved mathematical theorems there
are. Regardless, such an analyser would be incredibly useful for other
tasks than the pathological one.
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