Use not TOR

zeynepaydogan zeynepaydogan at protonmail.com
Wed Sep 29 01:30:49 PDT 2021


Someone leaked the internal logs. (2014) Tor hasn’t felt the need to make any statements about the leaked data. when i asked, the community team lead (Tor) wrote to me
He said:

I'm curious about "the daily log was leaked". What does this exactly mean?

He learned that information from me. Then Tor and he stopped.

That's what I said. I wanted to keep people informed.

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Açık Çar, Eyl 29, 2021 06:32, grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> yazdı:

> On 9/28/21, zeynepaydogan <zeynepaydogan at protonmail.com> wrote:
>> Use a no-logs VPN.
>
> No logs is often bullshit... VPN's may honestly launch with no logs,
> but soon turn to keeping logs, or logging and trojaning and NITting
> requested users by/for GovCorp, etc. Either way, you have zero insurance,
> audit, or inspection that anything they say regarding logs is true.
> There is also no penalty, if operators are not well known big public persons
> the VPN's just shutdown, rebrand, reboot.
>
> Assuming that everything is logged forever is the
> better starting point.
>
>> The Tor project can’t help anonymously.
>
> Software tor is good at some things.
> But quite bad at other things.
> Even the NSA said "Tor Stinks" not all of the time, and
> that was based at least 10 years ago... today's NSA
> can say that tor stinks even worse at protecting
> users due to NSA and other attackers advancements in
> Traffic Analysis, Sybil, etc. Meanwhile tor's fundamental
> design and deployment has stayed 100% the same since day 1.
> NSA etc +1, Tor 0.
>
>> Don’t respect a community where
>
> Don't respect a Tor Project that
> - lies false advertising to its users on its homepage
> - defrauds buyer of $2M worth of NFT by falsely claiming it was first onion
> - refuses to answer records requests from its userbase
> - kicks out contributors observers commentators for having different
> sociopolitical perspectives, exposing inconvienient truths, etc
> - bricks up and censors all its public comms channels
> - removes features being actively used by its users, claiming
> it has sole use-case authority over its userbase and users,
> while providing bogus orthagonal and non-detailed arguments
> to support removal
> - etc, etc, etc... read all the mail lists
>
>> in 2014, the daily log was leaked.
>
> What exactly, with links, are you talking about?
>
>> Tor hasn't made a statement about it.
>> Tor and the team leader didn't answer my questions.
>
> Tor Project Inc, its employees, and core "community" of
> hangers-on, crumb gobbling handout chasers, wokesters,
> and opportunist$-by-association... haven't made statements
> or answered a lot of questions a lot of people have asked.
>
>> And some of them work in highest ranked position on Google.
>
> Google are known spies and apologists for Governments,
> search results distorters, undue influencers, Youtube Censors, etc.
>
>> the Tor community team
>
> Partisan, self-dealing, non-independant, censorious.
> Good luck trying to ombud anything to them.
>
>> TOR may be transferring daily-log to an institution
>
> Tor has "partnered" with, been silent on, with such institutions
> like EDU's and research labs, and been called out for it in the past.
> Even some of them institutions were working to exploit users, even
> working for or giving exploit tech or de-anon'd users to governments.
>
> Tor also have a laughable "ethical research" policy, who
> have on numerous occaisions "convinced" public researchers
> to stop their proposed or works in progress, but all other attackers
> happily ignore and never write papers or full disclosure about, thus
> users remain in the public dark about details what tor really
> can and cannot do, what attacks are being attempted against them.
> And Tor Project whitewashes any remaining "coordinated release"
> through their professionally managed and massaged comms and
> prop channels.
>
> After all, Tor Project employees could lose their $Millions
> in government and donor funding if a more balanced
> picture was made, thus reducing the paychecks to
> zero, the home mortgages to default, etc.
> So is there any conflict of interest there, you decide.
>
> Tor the Project, and tor the software, are different but
> related and interdependent things. That makes some
> users and analysts uncomfortable.
>
> There are hardly any operational encrypted anonymous
> overlay networks from which to choose. Some exist for
> dedicated purposes like messaging, crypto, storage etc,
> but almost none are a general purpose transport net,
> or net for running existing IPv6 applications, etc.
>
> All thus, there should be new softwares made and
> launched from new and anonymous un-Projects.
> Use parts of designs from existing projects as needed.
>
> That is the cypherpunk way.
>
> Because... "Tor Stinks -- NSA".
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