Cypherpunks write code

Karl gmkarl at
Sun Sep 19 10:37:03 PDT 2021

On Sat, Sep 18, 2021, 3:24 AM grarpamp <grarpamp at> wrote:

> > We must defend our own privacy if we expect to have any.
> > Cypherpunks write code.
> > We know that someone has to write software to defend privacy,
> > and ... we're going to write it."
> GnuPG, and many networks, message systems, etc already exist...
> a magnitude above plaintext. Yes, go write improve make more.
> But none of that has done a single shit to "defend" or "preserve"
> realworld privacy since 30 years of write code. In fact there has
> since been colossal ongoing net LOSS of all forms of realworld
> privacy since then. Realworld tyranny doesn't give a fuck
> about your little private online utopias, it stormrolls over them,
> Traffic Analyzes them, pulls their plug, defunds, brainwashes,
> indoctrinates, infiltrates, coinalyzes, informs, plea offers, cracks,
> sybil's, and generally rubberhoses them all at will.
> Realworld still trumps online privtopia world.
> Now AP (more generally Prediction Markets, PM's in general being a
> tool for determining odds of many various outcomes and projects),
> PM's may be the only "code" even capable of exerting any real
> influence back into and upon the real world from privtopias.
> But even though any of the coins that can send an arbitrary text/data
> field along with the transaction can host a PM... no one has done
> any PM's of influence yet, on any platform.
> Not even Bitcoin the hardly private toy is doing any real influence yet
> other than bursting a few brain circuits in a few legacy GovCorpBank sters.
> > what are people doing on this mailing list who aren't
> > interested in information security
> Not quite. There are more than a few, and some
> very talented and experienced, infosec people here.
> > that can't write a code?
> Not quite. There are more than a few, and some
> very talented and experienced, coders here.
> Yet none of them have to tell.
> > I really wonder why this mailing list isn't being used for its purpose?
> Maybe it is.
> Maybe it is a privacy coin...
> The inputs to its output purpose do not have to be
> visible to everyone, nor even to anyone, for it to function...
> > I don't want to see government licks
> Lots of those here too.
> Did you "vote"... you're a GovLick.

Voting does influence stuff, recommend continuing unless you're in a group
being manipulated to oppress themselves or something, or can actually stay
anonymous somehow if you don't.

Did you pay "tax"... you're a GovLick.
> Did you get a "BirthID", a "driver license"... you're a GovLick.
> Did you choose Govt subsidized school... you're a GovLick.
> Did you use GovBank Fiat... you're a GovLick.
> Did you ... you're a GovLick.
> Did you not even open your mouth to anyone, in public discourse,
> in the realworld, against forms of Govt and "authority" and for freedom
> and privacy... you're a GovLick.
> > and nationalists here.
> Lots of those too, voluntary nations being just as fine
> as voluntary socialist, religion, whatever, etc, provided
> they're compliant.
> Yet people don't know voluntaryism, so they whine against
> the few free chosen NAP compliant associations.
> > This is the cypherpunks mailing list.Please speak on purpose here.
> Maybe lots have already given years to decades of it
> around the real world. Some at great cost and lost
> opportunity or ongoing risk. But they don't have to tell you of it.
> Are you paying people to write and speak code for you?
> Otherwise people freely give it as they wish or not.
> But oh so many crybabies crying for censor mod bans
> when the crybabies should go and filter their own mailboxes
> from the assholes, agents, spies, trolls, traps, pols,
> GovLicks, hacks, cracks, shills, trojans, influence, noise,
> and bayes markov tune it to just what they want to hear.
> And the worst...
> The crybabies are not writing and speaking code, they
> themselves are ones not adding to making the lists what
> they claim to desire to see. Not even posting articles,
> not even making cpunk commentary, not even demoing and
> reviewing the smallest simplest bit of any cpunk app
> running on that piece of GovLick Microsoft Windows
> or Apple Mac OS they are running.
> But they sure want everyone to talk all about it for them,
> to censor ban, etc.
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