Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment - Stundin

Karl gmkarl at
Wed Jun 30 12:14:13 PDT 2021

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 10:46 AM David Barrett <dbarrett at> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 2:09 AM Karl <gmkarl at> wrote:
>> One man cannot fight a multinational prosecution with the flick of his
>> finger.  Hiding is the appropriate behavior here.
>> What would you do if multiple governments -- especially the most corrupt
>> governments and the most corrupt parts of governments -- thought you were
>> their worst nightmare?
> What does this have to do with justice?  Are you suggesting that if you
> are an enemy of the state, you should not have to go through the Justice
> system? I'm not sure exactly what you're proposing.

Justice is about what is right, not about enemies.  If fake evidence is
involved, is the subject an enemy of the state, or an enemy of corruption
within it?

I'm saying something pretty basic. I'm saying you can't blame the courts
> for treating you badly, if you refuse to show up.

You can if you were legitimately hiding from corruption.  Regardless courts
only judge and act on people in courtrooms.

All of his complaints against the US government are hypothetical based upon
> actions it might take in the future, but actually hasn't.  Same goes for
> Snowden.

You disregard our hundreds of years of prior systemised injustice, the
political prisoners in our prisons, all the recent corruption news that has
come out regarding the various branches, including rampant misuse of
surveillance technology?

Chelsea Manning is the only one who actually went through the Justice
> process for her leaking government cables, and she served 7 years in
> prison, and then was a free woman. We can debate whether or not seven was
> the right number, and whether she was treated appropriately during those
> seven, but it wasn't exactly multiple life sentences or execution or
> rotting in prison, or any of that.

Supporters worked incredibly hard to push for such things, and the same is
not true of most such prisoners.  The few surviving members of MOVE, the
nonviolent group whose home was bombed by law enforcement in 1985, were
only released a couple years ago.

It's entirely possible that Snowden and Assange might be free to go by now
> had they actually shown up to court, and instead have been hiding out over
> nothing. None of the time Assange is spending in self-isolation will count
> towards a prison sentence when he eventually goes to jail, because hiding
> from the law isn't part of the justice system.

The people who take your gamble accomplish less than these people have.

I'm not sure how someone can celebrate their behavior and simultaneously
> support the rule of law.

This thread is about the evidence having been falsified, David.  That is
not legal.

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