US 'justice' system - paging karl.

Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 punks at tfwno.gf
Mon Jul 5 16:04:42 PDT 2021


On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 17:38:12 -0400
Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> >         My view and logic are one and the same. Which logical step do you
> > think I got wrong.
> >
> >         1) US laws violate personal rights.
> >
> 
> Logically true.  Anything exerted unilaterally is going to end up violating
> personal rights.
> 
>         2) Violating personal rights is the very defintion of crime.
> >
> 
> True enough, different people have different opinions; some define crime in
> terms of the state.

	yeah well. That's what the position of barrett and any other government agent amounts to.  According to them "a crime is whatever we say it is", and if you don't agree, they will murder you. 

	So their position is based on circular 'logic' (i.e. it's null and void) and if you don't agree with them, they'll violate all your personal rights, up to violating your right to life.


> 
>         3) People who support the US 'legal system' support crime and are
> > morally responsible for US crimes.
> 
> 
> Doesn't quite follow.  They can support the legal system without supporting
> the violation of personal rights, 


	No they can't, because the US legal system is explicitly designed to violate rights. 


> like a conceptual filter where they only  support the times they think it isn't doing that.


	That 'conceptual filter' doesn't exist in reality. What you're calling 'conceptual filter' is actually called intelectual dishonesty. "Doublethink" in 1984.

	So it doesn't matter if people who support a criminal system lie about what they do, even to themselves. Lies do not change reality. 




> 
> Other govts might also demonstrate organised crime?

	yes all governments are organized crime, by definition. Their most basic nature is being  organized crime. But, again, we'are talking about the US govt, biggest criminal on the planet and the one persecuting assange along with the english and swedish governments. 

	And just for fun : there was only one government that defended assange. Ecuador's government, a 'third world' 'shithole'.



> 
> I agree with you for this reason:  our democracy clearly not functioning,
> and it is pretty hard to assert direction of an entire democracy.  That's a
> lot of people to influence.  Way easier in a dictatorship.


	hehe.




> >         I'm using the US propaganda machine against the US, as best as I
> > can.
> >
> >         Just like I would use a 'US gun' to blow up the head of a US
> > soldier.
> 
> 
> Both of these behaviors may be teaching your enemy how to defeat you, more
> than defeating your enemy ...  people do need to live sometimes.



	Most of the time, yes. And some people do need to die, especially the ones responsible for serial murder. 

	
	

> 
> > From punk to david:
> > > The legal system is not functioning how you claim it is.  It is clearly
> > not
> > > producing justice, and we have a _lot_ of clear evidence of this.
> >
> >
> >         Thanks, that sums it up. I'll stop beating this poor dead horse
> > for a couple of days at least.
> 
> 
> I still have to figure out how to say it to him.
> 
> I said it recently and he erased it and replied without responding to it.


	Well, I guess you're using the technique you described earlier. I doubt it will work in this case, but you're free to keep trying...


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