Bantering with punk-stasi-victim was Re: Slavery was Formally Abolished Today, Happy Freedom Day

[Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0]

On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:34:57 -0500
Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2/6/21, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks at tfwno.gf> wrote:
> >
> >
> > 	I'll reply to *some*  points.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> > 	nah, you're just repeating propaganda, pretending that prostitution
> >> > overlaps with 'human trafficking'.
> >>
> >> Maybe this doesn't happen where you're from, I don't know.
> >
> >
> > 	It doesn't happen anywhere. It's US anti-sex propaganda. So either you know
> > little to  nothing about the anti-culture in which you live in - the US
> > puritan fascist cesspool - or you're being dishonest.
> 
> Punk, I bumped into a weirdo.  He said I had to draw a square on the
> wall, and if I ever told anybody about him, the instructions, or the
> square, he would kill me! 


	Do you like to speak in riddles? Or do you do it because you think it serves some purpose? Problem is, I don't understand your riddles. I can try half guessing, but it takes effort and makes the discussion even harder to follow. 




> >> There are many solutions to every problem.
> >
> > 	This is an allegedly 'anarchist'(LMAO) mailing list and I am an anarchist,
> > so the relevant solution here is abolition of government. Which is the the
> > only morally correct solution by the way.
> 
> I'll keep this quoted in the hope that you do too.  Helps us have some
> shared ground, to know that you chose to say that.


	I don't need to keep it quoted. But it looks like something you need to keep in mind. So do that. Keep that in mind, not on your computer screen. 

	You know, you write in an articulated/elaborated way and you don't sound like a fool or crazy to me. At the same time you keep saying you are crazy or hinting that you don't remember what you wrote an hour ago. Those two things put together don't make sense. So my tentative conclusion is that you're not being serious.



> 
> >> I'm down for an abolition-of-government solution to human trafficking,
> >> which is obviously just a much more personal and violent form of
> >> 'governance'.
> >
> > 	abolition of government isn't 'obviosly a much more violent form of
> > governance' - what are you talking about.
> 
> Let me say that part again, which looks grammatically correct when I
> review what you quoted:
> "that thing we're pretending is propaganda, is obviously just a much
> more personal and violent form of 'governance'"
	

	Sorry, your clarification doesn't really clarify much. Last try : 

	"I'm down for an abolition-of-government solution to human trafficking" 
	
	Ok, that statement is clear and non-ambiguous. But then you add 

	"which is obviously just a much more personal and violent form of 'governance'"

	What is the word "which" pointing at? What is this thing you're describing as "a much more personal and violent form of 'governance'"? As far as I can tell you're saying that abolition of government is a more violent form of government. Which is absurd. 


> 
> >> We'd have to make sure to prevent slavery, in the
> >> government-abolition.
> >
> > 	that sounds like typical anti anarchist propaganda.
> 
> ? When you abolish government you pretty much solve every problem
> because you can directly address them instead of going through
> bureaucrats and enforcement officers.  

	No. When you abolish government, all the problems that governmetn causes dissapear. That's the whole point of abolishing government. 


> But often people leave stuff  out when planning.

	social planners are interested in planning. Social planners are the opposite of anarchists. 



> >
> > 	Not sure what you mean. 'Legislation' in the US is clearly fascist and it
> > is obviously enforced and supported by people in the US. The words, beliefs
> > and behaviours are all aligned.
> 
> Since I'm the dirty cop here, you gotta believe me that the written
> law is different from what is going on here.  


	There's no reason for me to believe you and ignore plain evidence. But maybe you're talking about 'laws' that include bullshit like "we love human rights bla bla"? 

	Those 'human rights' 'laws' are of course more propaganda. In practice the US has the highest incarceration rate on the planet, it's the most dangerous rogue state on the planet, has military bases all over the planet, etc, etc, and does all that according to their 'laws'. 


> [apologies to any real
> law enforcement or mafia workers in the crowd, presently engaging a
> new psychotic break, it's up in the air whether i keep this public
> moniker]
> 



> > 	Yes, I want to focus on the crimes that the US slavers commit worldwide
> > whereas you're focusing on their 'anti human trafficking' propaganda, which
> > has the exact purpose of hiding their crimes and trying to pretend that they
> > are the 'good guys'.
> 
> Really, with a good blockchain'd camera and a big and diverse crowd,
> you could win lawsuits altering the harmful behaviors of the US, based
> on antislavery laws.


	Haha. Win lawsuits? By definition the govt owns the courts.

	So  what kind of anarchist thinks he's going to fight government by hiring government lawyers to discuss pseudo legal bullshit in governmetn courts? 



> > 	So let me know when you start your anti US govcorp campaign instead of
> > relaying their anti-sex, anti-prostitution propaganda.
> 
> Happy to run whatever campaign is willing to welcome all supporters,
> and listen to all their ideas.  If you're intentionally excluding
> people who want to support you, or their ideas, that's a recipe for
> disaster, leave me out.


	Why wouldn't I exclude people who parrot govt propaganda. 


> 
> >> The united nations is one of many, many organizations that produces
> >> information on human trafficking.  Here is their 2020 report:
> >> https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/tip/2021/GLOTiP_2020_15jan_web.pdf
> >> .  It describes sexual slavery as around half the documented human
> >> trafficking.
> >
> >
> > 	here we go - 'sexual slavery'.
> 
> here we go - ignored everything i said and focused on only one small
> part, pretending it represents something relevant and meaningful.

	
	The only thing you've been doing is pretending that all this 'human trafficking' bullshit isn't US propaganda.





> >
> > 	Nobody told me what to do here. And when I'm told what to do I usually do
> > the opposite.
> 
> Yeah?  Who would you love to disobey the most?  \0xDynamite told me
> they were in charge, I think.


	Oh yes, he's literally a jew theocrat. You can imagine how much I would obey him. 


> >> I found some of it.  You don't trust the law because Lincoln wasn't
> >> really that strong on Freedom, even though they signed it in?
> >
> >
> > 	it's pretty clear that 'The North' didn't intend to abolish slavery. It
> > just happened as a side-effect of the civil war to keep the nazi US union.
> > Hell the name of the FUCKING CESSPOOL is UNITED STATES!!
> 
> Maybe you were talking for them, then, but you care about me and still
> want to help me, now?


	Am I talking for whom? I'm presenting the historical facts. 


> 
> The anti-human-trafficking laws didn't help establish trust?
> https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/chapter-78


	establish trust? I don't know what you mean. Trust in government? Why would you want that? 



> 
> >> You also quoted that slavery is only legal in the united states as
> >> punishment for a crime the victim has been duly convicted of.
> >
> > 	so slavery IS STILL LEGAL. What part you don't get?
> 
> It sounds like you are really interested in helping close the last loopholes?


	last loopholes? The 'loophole' is the existence of government itself. 

	And no I'm not particulary interested in making govt laws look prettier. The fact that the US govt makes slavery explicitly 'legal' is a good reminder of what governments actually are. 


> 
> >> For me, I haven't engaged in any serious crime, but I can still be
> >> convicted in illegal ways that utilise loopholes, coercion, etc.  So
> >> it's helpful to have documentation and a friend with some resources,
> >> of which there may be many on this list.
> >
> > 	again, I don't know what you're talking about.
> 
> Oh.  We'd better talk about it more.  What don't you understand?


	Government can put anybody they want in jail for any reason (that is, for no reason at all). That's what government is all about. 

	If what you want is to 'reform' government you're anything but an anarchist. 


> >> >
> >> > 	sure sure. The slaves the US govt is saving...
> >>
> >> Nah, the US govt doesn't do too much.  It's mostly churches and
> >> whatnot.
> >
> > 	it's...what? Ah US churches. The worst kind of puritan garbage out there
> > and their anti prostitution crusades. Thanks for making my point yet again.
> 
> And did you know that _oxygen_ causes _fires_?  My god!  Can you
> believe it?  And the planet is _covered_ in it!


	You think you're teaching me something with your false analogy? Churches are a fucking criminal cancer. 


> 
> I'm not big on churches, but I like a ton that they help slaves, and
> also the homeless, everywhere.  I also like some of their rituals and
> values a lot, but not the common belief that other religions could be
> wrong.


	Yeah, nothing says 'anarchism' like US jew-christiano fascists and their 'charity'. 


> 
> >> I'm actually pretty scared to guess what kinds of people
> >> help these things!  I'm worried they'd get hurt.  Let's guess who they
> >> are when we've made it clear we're going to support them.
> >
> >
> > 	I am an anarchist. I support the destruction of fucking US jew-kristian
> > churches. And you know what? I MEAN WHAT I SAY.
> 
> Arright, we better understand each other.
> 
> Since I'm not aware of any jew churches, I think what you mean is that
> we REALLY need to fight BAD STUFF.  And we need to do this almost more
> than anything else.  Is that accurate?

		
	"I'm not aware of any jew churches" 

	yeah right. You need to open your eyes then - learn the basic history of jew-kkkristian fascism. Look up "puritanism" in joogle? Go to a library? 

	You can start with this : christianity is a form of totalitarianism derived from jew savagery and totalitarianism. 



> 
> >> > 	so why do you pretend that the US govt and its supporters are opposed
> >> > to slavery?
> >>
> >> To try to help it be more true than it already is, so we can be free
> >> sooner.
> >
> >
> > 	What the hell are you saying exactly? You keep lying and helping the US
> > govt criminals spread propaganda so that they become the 'good guys'? Talk
> > about meaningless absurdities...
> 
> Lemme rephrase for you:
> If you are stuck in the fucking USA, and you need some fucking freedom
> before we take down the fucking government, the fucking USA human
> trafficking hotline might be able to help.


	See? You can talk in a clear way with little effort. And the clear reply is : the  'human trafficking' 'hotline' is just for show. It's propaganda to get people to believe that the government is good and caring. The 'human trafficking' 'hotline' does more harm than good.


> 
> [aside: I don't consent to swearing; I need some tool that helps me
> build habits I choose.]
> 
> >> >> It's obvious the US government is crummy.
> >> >
> >> > 	crummy?
> >>
> >> Functions as a tool of denied global systemic murder, acting with
> >> great obsession to stay that way.  This is obvious, and people work
> >> hard to slowly change it.
> >
> >
> > 	So the US govt isn't crummy. It's the *most efficient* and most toxic
> > criminal organization on the planet.
> 
> Sounds like your conversation is more important than mine for a reason
> you know really well.  I didn't mean at all to not say the true thing
> you said.


	Ok, maybe I got the meaning of 'crummy' wrong. I haven't seen that word used much (not making excuses).  I thought 'crummy' meant something like " dirty and run-down; shabby." 



> >> You keep assuming in your talk that there is no such thing as
> >> modern-day slavery, and you seem unable to discuss this.
> >
> > 	modern day slavery is the political system we live in.
> 
> And we can reduce it!  Tada!
	

	Yes, but certainly not by calling the government's 'human trafficking' 'hotline'. 

	If you call the governmetn's 'human trafficking' 'hotline' you'll increase modern day  slavery by playing into the governmetn's hands. 



> 
> >> This makes it clear that you are experiencing it, in a way that is
> >> very hard to understand.
> >
> > 	I'm experiencing what? Slavery at the hands of govcorp? well yeah. Is that
> > news?
> 
> It's always news if you can't talk about the details of it.


	The details are everywhere. Did you hear about the fake 'covid' 'pandemic' and the fact that that half the world has been/is under house arrest? What's your take on all that? 



> >
> > 	worse than being in government jails? Oh wait, you just keep parroting
> > bullshit from US TV and pentagon sponsored TV series, sorry. Yeah, I'm sure
> > that 'reality' is pretty bad.
> 
> _Yeah_.  _Worse_than_being_in_government_jails_.  In jail they
> _feed_you_.  They _protect_you_a_tiny_bit_.  They
> _give_you_a_way_to_talk_with_others_.
> 
> You can die of injuries but they usually aren't as grotesque.
> 
> If you kill yourself somebody finds you and sees you, pretty quickly,
> and your family find out.
> 
> Not only that, your family has a reliable way of finding you and talking to you.
> 
> In a USA jail you get work that is clearly described, and further
> punishments that are clear.
> 
> In jail, you don't get forced to return to your family, lie to them,
> and secretly harm them!  Isn't that great?
> 
> What show am I copying?  


	Anything produced in the US. Everything you say is pretty cliche. Your ode to US jails was quite something. I think this discussion is past its shelf life. 



> I need good shows that talk about real
> things.  I have found very few.
> 
> >> >> > 	People who want to end slavery should be planning how to destroy
> >> >> > government, not taking stolen money from government.
> >>
> >> Regarding anarchism, this is faulty logic.  You have more power if you
> >> steal money from your government.
> >
> > 	1) the govt doesn't  'own' any money. All they have, they stole it. When
> > you take govt money you just become an accomplice of government theft. The
> > exact opposite of what any actual anarchist would do.
> 
> The government makes the money.  But yeah it's all stolen from their people.


	right, the govt prints the pseudo money, but the actual resources are stolen from all the holders of money. In the case of US dollars, the US govt is STEALING from people ALL OVER THE WORLD. 


> 
> > 	2) the govt only gives money to their accomplices and other useful idiots
> > who are not a threat, at all, to government.
> 
> Whistleblowers.  


	whistleblowers are not paid for what they do. They are persecuted by the govt. 


> Social aid. 

	propaganda, vote buying, crums to keep the masses from revolting, etc. 'social aid' is obviously bad, unless you're a social democrat who is selling statism. 

	

> Also, hackers who have been influenced
> to work for them, of which many are likely on this list, honestly
> believing themselves to be anarchists.  


	if you're talking about 'hackers' working for the govt, those worthless scumbags need killing. They belong in the "sellout" category and in the "enabler-of-child-murder" category. 


> You can get paid a ton as a  hacker.

	yeah the more corrupt you are, the bigger your govcorp paycheck is. 

	So, hopefully you see that taking money from the govt is bad in many different ways. 

> 
> > 	So, 'regarding anarchism', it's now obvious who is the one using faulty
> > logic, and it isn't me.
> >
> >
> >> You just need to avoid all their
> >> traps and influence.
> >
> > 	Yeah sure. So you take stolen money, but you think you're so clever you're
> > going to use the stolen money against the thieves. "The end justifies the
> > means", oldest govcorp slogan ever. And not only that, you are arrogant
> > enough to believe you're going to outsmart the biggest criminals in town.
> 
> They watch people with money and act when it's used.  That means you
> get one big expenditure.
> 
> I also was able to spread money around safely a lot by using small
> amounts of cash.  Just make a habit of holding more and more cash, and
> then you'll have it to use in ways that are less dangerous [i.e. visit
> the people in need and leave it for them to find].
> 
> >> [This is a debate I haven't been exposed to, to
> >> know the details of.
> >
> > 	now you have
> 
> Juan-Sensei.
> 
> So.  How do we take them down?


	we need some critical mass of people who know what they are talking about.