Bantering with punk-stasi-victim was Re: Slavery was Formally Abolished Today, Happy Freedom Day

[Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0]

	I'll reply to *some*  points. 




> > 	nah, you're just repeating propaganda, pretending that prostitution
> > overlaps with 'human trafficking'.
> 
> Maybe this doesn't happen where you're from, I don't know.  


	It doesn't happen anywhere. It's US anti-sex propaganda. So either you know little to  nothing about the anti-culture in which you live in - the US puritan fascist cesspool - or you're being dishonest. 



> 
> > 	of course, whatever alleged problems are there in the prostitution market
> > are the fault of the government(duh!) that makes prostitution 'illegal'.
> >
> > 	so again, the solution here to whatever alleged problems there are is
> > abolition of government, not more government and more government propaganda
> > (like the one you keep posting)
> 
> There are many solutions to every problem.


	This is an allegedly 'anarchist'(LMAO) mailing list and I am an anarchist, so the relevant solution here is abolition of government. Which is the the only morally correct solution by the way. 




> I'm down for an abolition-of-government solution to human trafficking,
> which is obviously just a much more personal and violent form of
> 'governance'. 


	abolition of government isn't 'obviosly a much more violent form of governance' - what are you talking about. 


> We'd have to make sure to prevent slavery, in the
> government-abolition.


	that sounds like typical anti anarchist propaganda. 



> 
> >> In the USA, slavery is hated, and human trafficking is ignored. The
> >> words are synonymous.
> >
> > 	In the US cesspool slavery is part of the 'law of the land'. Why do you
> > keep ignoring the most basic facts?
> 
> I'm talking what letters and words are used and held in people's
> beliefs, not behavior.


	Not sure what you mean. 'Legislation' in the US is clearly fascist and it is obviously enforced and supported by people in the US. The words, beliefs and behaviours are all aligned. 



> 
> >> human trafficking is ignored
> >
> > 	
> > 	I don't think so. It's a pretty common government propaganda theme.
> 
> We're saying the same thing, arguing about which part to focus on.
> Maybe I can start telling the part of the story you're focusing on.
> It sounds like you want to equate the slaver mafia with the united
> states government they basically control?


	Yes, I want to focus on the crimes that the US slavers commit worldwide whereas you're focusing on their 'anti human trafficking' propaganda, which has the exact purpose of hiding their crimes and trying to pretend that they are the 'good guys'. 


	So let me know when you start your anti US govcorp campaign instead of relaying their anti-sex, anti-prostitution propaganda. 



> The united nations is one of many, many organizations that produces
> information on human trafficking.  Here is their 2020 report:
> https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/tip/2021/GLOTiP_2020_15jan_web.pdf
> .  It describes sexual slavery as around half the documented human
> trafficking.


	here we go - 'sexual slavery'. 




> >>
> >> I suppose I'll consider that, until I see a paystub, it's likely
> >> you've been illegally enslaved to post to this list against your will.
> >
> >
> > 	Ok, you had your fun. Don't start playing the victim when you get treated
> > the way you deserve to be treated.
> 
> Somebody told you that people could ever deserve this.  I'm so sorry
> this has happened to you.


	Nobody told me what to do here. And when I'm told what to do I usually do the opposite. 





> > 	Pay attention : YOU are parroting US fascist propaganda of the
> > 'progressive' kind  and I'm calling your bullshit out. I do this because I'm
> > on the anti-government camp, out of my own free will of course.
> 
> Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 is speaking a language that is clear for
> anybody free enough to attend to its details.  I'm guessing that they
> are saying they desperately need help.


	No, I don't need help and every word I wrote is literal. Feel free to re-read my above statement as many times as you wish. It will always mean what it says.

	Last but not least, I am a man, so the correct pronoun here is "he'.





> >
> > 	If you don't read what I write why do you bother replying.
> > 	
> > 	Here's my first reply to your propaganda
> > 	https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2021-February/086600.html
> 
> I found some of it.  You don't trust the law because Lincoln wasn't
> really that strong on Freedom, even though they signed it in?


	it's pretty clear that 'The North' didn't intend to abolish slavery. It just happened as a side-effect of the civil war to keep the nazi US union. Hell the name of the FUCKING CESSPOOL is UNITED STATES!!



> 
> You also quoted that slavery is only legal in the united states as
> punishment for a crime the victim has been duly convicted of.  


	so slavery IS STILL LEGAL. What part you don't get? 



> You
> should know that slaves are often pardoned for any crimes they were
> forced to engage in, whether by control or in order to survive.  You'd
> want an advocate to help this be true.
> 
> I googled this and it seems to mostly be discussed in texas on google.
> A survivor who had actually killed somebody was pardoned.


	I don't know what you're talking about. 


> 
> For me, I haven't engaged in any serious crime, but I can still be
> convicted in illegal ways that utilise loopholes, coercion, etc.  So
> it's helpful to have documentation and a friend with some resources,
> of which there may be many on this list.


	again, I don't know what you're talking about. 


> 
> > 	you completely ignored all the facts I mentioned there and in turn made
> > this idiotic reply
> >
> > 	https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2021-February/086602.html
> >
> > 	"Juan, you don't mean these things you say here."
> >
> >
> >         I MEAN what I say.
> 
> I don't really understand what you mean =(


	too bad 


> >>
> >> I try to get them rescuing the slaves they acknowledge as enslaved,
> >> before I point that out to them.  It takes move through a few
> >> different disciplines of conventional study to make a clear strong
> >> argument.
> >
> >
> > 	sure sure. The slaves the US govt is saving...
> 
> Nah, the US govt doesn't do too much.  It's mostly churches and
> whatnot.  

	it's...what? Ah US churches. The worst kind of puritan garbage out there and their anti prostitution crusades. Thanks for making my point yet again. 


> I'm actually pretty scared to guess what kinds of people
> help these things!  I'm worried they'd get hurt.  Let's guess who they
> are when we've made it clear we're going to support them.


	I am an anarchist. I support the destruction of fucking US jew-kristian churches. And you know what? I MEAN WHAT I SAY.




> >
> > 	so why do you pretend that the US govt and its supporters are opposed
> > to slavery?
> 
> To try to help it be more true than it already is, so we can be free sooner.


	What the hell are you saying exactly? You keep lying and helping the US govt criminals spread propaganda so that they become the 'good guys'? Talk about meaningless absurdities...


> 
> >> It's obvious the US government is crummy.
> >
> > 	crummy?
> 
> Functions as a tool of denied global systemic murder, acting with
> great obsession to stay that way.  This is obvious, and people work
> hard to slowly change it.


	So the US govt isn't crummy. It's the *most efficient* and most toxic criminal organization on the planet. 



> 
> >> I think you're confusing
> >> that with whether or not freedom is valuable to discuss, maybe because
> >> it's hard for you to discuss freedom from ongoing slavery, itself.
> >
> >
> > 	I think you have to stop pretending that I don't know what I'm saying.
> 
> I'm pointing out that something is making you move the conversation
> away from actual forced labor, and towards pretensions that it relates
> to politics or government.


	Yes, I'm doing that to  counter your government propaganda and focus on the actual criminals, that is the US govt and its 'ngos' that pretend to fight 'human trafficking'


> 
> You keep assuming in your talk that there is no such thing as
> modern-day slavery, and you seem unable to discuss this.


	modern day slavery is the political system we live in.

> 
> This makes it clear that you are experiencing it, in a way that is
> very hard to understand.


	I'm experiencing what? Slavery at the hands of govcorp? well yeah. Is that news? 



> >> those enslaved dollar holders often spend their money on things made
> >> by people who actually have their physical muscle enslaved, possibly
> >> by severe ongoing physical injury, as opposed to "just" their avenues
> >> of choice and income.
> >
> > 	
> > 	are you trying to downplay the most basic nature of government, i.e. it
> > being  based on extortion, theft, slavery, murder?
> 
> No, I'm just free to talk as if I've been exposed to slavery that is
> worse and more personal.


	worse than being in government jails? Oh wait, you just keep parroting bullshit from US TV and pentagon sponsored TV series, sorry. Yeah, I'm sure that 'reality' is pretty bad. 



> 
> >> > 	People who want to end slavery should be planning how to destroy
> >> > government, not taking stolen money from government.
> 
> Regarding anarchism, this is faulty logic.  You have more power if you
> steal money from your government.  


	1) the govt doesn't  'own' any money. All they have, they stole it. When you take govt money you just become an accomplice of government theft. The exact opposite of what any actual anarchist would do.


	2) the govt only gives money to their accomplices and other useful idiots who are not a threat, at all, to government. 


	So, 'regarding anarchism', it's now obvious who is the one using faulty logic, and it isn't me. 


> You just need to avoid all their
> traps and influence.  

	Yeah sure. So you take stolen money, but you think you're so clever you're going to use the stolen money against the thieves. "The end justifies the means", oldest govcorp slogan ever. And not only that, you are arrogant enough to believe you're going to outsmart the biggest criminals in town. 


> [This is a debate I haven't been exposed to, to
> know the details of.  

	now you have