cypherpunks Digest, Vol 87, Issue 76

Wed Sep 30 01:13:31 PDT 2020

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Today's Topics:

  1. Paper on Assassination Markets (b. water)
  2. Schlicter: "attack the enemy in a manner the enemy can
      neither limit nor control" - [PEACE] (Zenaan Harkness)
  3. 1984: Starlink First Partner: Local Cops and State Military
      (grarpamp)
  4. Re: Paper on Assassination Markets (grarpamp)
  5. Re: USA 2020 Elections: Thread (Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0)
  6. Re: 1984: Starlink First Partner: Local Cops and State
      Military (Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0)
  7. Censorship: India's Censorship Methods and Blocklists
      Partially Exposed (grarpamp)
  8. Re: USA 2020 Elections: Thread (Zenaan Harkness)
  9. Tools: Apes, and AK-47s (grarpamp)
  10. Re: 1984: Starlink First Partner: Local Cops and State
      Military (jim bell)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 21:58:55 +0000
From: "b. water" <benwater at protonmail.ch>
To: "cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org" <cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org>
Subject: Paper on Assassination Markets
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Ever since I've read the Assassination Politics essay, my perspective of
the world has changed: at last, a tool to create an anarcho-capitalist
society!

Alas, I've been dismayed by the lack of progress since it was first
published. Little interest, very few serious publications, and still no
running assassination market!

Since I'm not a developer I can't really create one, but I've written a
paper on assassination markets that I think could have some mainstream
appeal, by reconciling the AP idea with more palatable concepts such as
self defense and the NAP.

I'd love to have your feedback on this paper.

The draft of the paper (pdf) can be accessed here:
https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocdro.id%2FfTYVUqf&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe9bae43b6574681541808d8650a94ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637370443423838093&sdata=9CEWnh5gAx7BRkh73dLGxAjoKGwrkmLIdGvY%2FbOeH3I%3D&reserved=0
If you have any question please let me know.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 11:43:36 +1000
From: Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net>
To: CypherPunks <cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org>
Subject: Schlicter: "attack the enemy in a manner the enemy can
    neither limit nor control" - [PEACE]
Message-ID: <20200930014336.GA3195408 at eye.freedbms.net>
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Kurt Schlicter on the war path, oh it's on muh gritty muffaduckas :D

  It’s Time for Us Conservatives to Riot
  https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftownhall.com%2Fcolumnists%2Fkurtschlichter%2F2020%2F09%2F28%2Fits-time-for-us-conservatives-to-riot-n2577020&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe9bae43b6574681541808d8650a94ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637370443423838093&sdata=7W0pBNiauMclQYSAmD53jstuQUtaWbEv1VuTDkuNXQQ%3D&reserved=0

      ...
      It’s a lie. They have nothing real. They have no combat power, no tactical control of anything besides a few square blocks, and they only have that because the cops are held back by liberal city leaders. They have no more than the power we give them by fearing them and reacting to them.

      So, civilians kicking their sissy tails is a meaningless exercise. For us, a riotous riot gets us nothing. Plus, we own the stuff that would get burned down. That means a traditional riotous riot is a dumb strategy for us, a counterproductive move that would play into the left’s nearly-nonexistent strengths while exposing our weaknesses.

      Instead, we should riot our way. That is, attack the enemy in a manner the enemy can neither limit nor control and both cause real damage to its forces while demonstrating, as part of our own information operation, that we are in control.

      There are two components to our riot. The first is a riot at the ballot box. We need to ruthlessly eliminate all opposing candidates of either party. That means mobilizing to turn out votes and to vote viciously. Your nice city councilman who is kind and gentle and sort of squishy? He cut the ribbon at the petting zoo and send you emails about a library book drive? Yeah, he needs to go in favor of the bomb-thrower who wants to buy the cops a new armored personnel carrier. No Democrats, not ever. No soft Republicans, not ever. Only harsh conservatives who loudly live the dogma. Elect conservawoke candidates who understand the threat, and who savor the opportunity to use their political power to harm the left in every way they can.
      ...

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 23:36:03 -0400
From: grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com>
To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
Subject: 1984: Starlink First Partner: Local Cops and State Military
Message-ID:
    <CAD2Ti293Hqn+3GdhfzovWzsAjYE6vD9PmNyQUzp9v32_s9L4eg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2020%2F09%2F29%2Fwashington-emergency-responders-use-spacex-starlink-satellite-internet.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe9bae43b6574681541808d8650a94ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637370443423838093&sdata=aWoYkkpy6eQWMijLk4iCyYNM5xkEU072kBK12grNnGs%3D&reserved=0

News prediction: Starlink Feeds Robot Dogs, Spy Drones, Cameras
Microphones Pop-Control Sensors Everywhere

Giving 100:1 odds to any buyer.

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 23:44:33 -0400
From: grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com>
To: cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org
Subject: Re: Paper on Assassination Markets
Message-ID:
    <CAD2Ti2_iBukyrcgjTaf+50s4yPjPK2zCUR699kNus0jDXr+sAQ at mail.gmail.com>
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Put contact/email and pgp key in the next revision.
And those doing papers on AP should make their
pdfs text searchable, cut/paste capable, and make
a forum friendly plain txt/html version, for search
engine pickup, further distribution, etc.

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 01:25:07 -0300
From: "Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0" <punks at tfwno.gf>
To: cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org
Subject: Re: USA 2020 Elections: Thread
Message-ID: <20200930041123.6A90311C0526 at pglaf.org>
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On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 21:50:41 +1000
Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:

> 
> Ahh that was it, yes, the DemonRAT D/Xi's are fascists.  Thanks for clarifying.

    yes, the US has a one party system and the one party is composed of two virtually identical factions, the demrats and the rethuglicans. Notice that the original name of the party (jefferson's) was the "Democratic-Republican" party. Yes, as always, US history is its own parody.

> 
> Significant parallels between today's North America and the Spanish Civil War 

    by 'north america' I take it you mean the US. So do you mind naming the parallels between the US today and spain at that time?

>- as Marxos so succinctly named for us, "the left eats its own", and the Spanish civil war is a good example of this:

    Maybe you should 1)summarize the spanish civil war 2)explain how the situation in the US is similar to it.

> >     european scum like you getting their just desserts, grarpamp.  
> 
> I guess "Spanish scum" like yerself ought move to South Africa - real life anarchy going on there ...

    by 'heritage' i'm mostly italian scum. Italian tradition obv goes back to the roman empire, who  happened  to be the original fascists and original western imperialists.

    coincidentally, here you can see the half-white obomba and the flag of the US flanked by two fasces.

    https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%3AObama_Health_Care_Speech_to_Joint_Session_of_Congress.jpg&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe9bae43b6574681541808d8650a94ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637370443423848087&sdata=bu9Re8q4B49QFQhiWJwnCnSJsGzC5bBvgxafN13Vr4g%3D&reserved=0

    here's an entertaining list of use of fascist symbology in the US 
    https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFasces%23United_States&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe9bae43b6574681541808d8650a94ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637370443423848087&sdata=PmywqelfbebDSPG2aAJXHfqMUlFiiyGtvwdOPVNQkXA%3D&reserved=0

> Don't get me wrong though - complaints do have their place, pointing out lies,

    seems that all one can do on a mailing list is post stuff. Some people post starlink advertising. Other people post flu farce propaganda. Some people post both! Then you have an endless stream of 'conservative' spam, etc. 

>at a certain point you're not even expanding the overton window, nor shifting any listener/ target of your complaints, nor changing the world in any identifiable way.

    well, if you have a better plan, let us know. But let me mention, again, that this list is used to post starlink-NSA propaganda, hilarious lies about the nature of the US, the latest propaganda for world-wide medical fascism, et cetera. 

    In other words, most people here not only lack a plan, but are active supporters of the thing they should be fighting against. 

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 01:28:06 -0300
From: "Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0" <punks at tfwno.gf>
To: cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org
Subject: Re: 1984: Starlink First Partner: Local Cops and State
    Military
Message-ID: <20200930041411.4EEBD11C0526 at pglaf.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 23:36:03 -0400
grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:

> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2020%2F09%2F29%2Fwashington-emergency-responders-use-spacex-starlink-satellite-internet.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe9bae43b6574681541808d8650a94ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637370443423848087&sdata=K2Kz2%2B2hMXfm9s15%2FI7MgftYii4%2BxJTJwJPrCAYvXO4%3D&reserved=0

    Cool! So Jim Bell was right! Musko is a Libertarian Randroidic Hero and US Technology is making the world even more freer and perfect!

> 
> News prediction: Starlink Feeds Robot Dogs, Spy Drones, Cameras
> Microphones Pop-Control Sensors Everywhere
> 
> Giving 100:1 odds to any buyer.

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 01:38:01 -0400
From: grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com>
To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
Subject: Censorship: India's Censorship Methods and Blocklists
    Partially Exposed
Message-ID:
    <CAD2Ti29iqfQdSBvgSH_K6Sca0jW=5e5nRdvOCtkoXn_3UWVOUA at mail.gmail.com>
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com.censorwatch.netprobesapp
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 16:05:05 +1000
From: Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net>
To: cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org
Subject: Re: USA 2020 Elections: Thread
Message-ID: <20200930060505.GA3361646 at eye.freedbms.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 09:50:41PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 02:46:53PM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 18:52:27 +1000
> > Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:
> > > As Juan correctly points out, the American political left (the DemonRATs) are more extreme than the nominal "right".
> > 
> >     I never ever said that. It's a fuckingly stupid lie. What I said is that the US 'left' are fascists, i.e. right wingers. Like you. 
> 
> 
> Ahh that was it, yes, the DemonRAT D/Xi's are fascists.  Thanks for clarifying.
> 
> Significant parallels between today's North America and the Spanish Civil War - as Marxos so succinctly named for us, "the left eats its own", and the Spanish civil war is a good example of this:
> 
>    The Prelude to World War II: The Spanish Civil War and Today's America
>    https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fnews%2F2020-09-27%2Fprelude-world-war-ii-spanish-civil-war-and-todays-america&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe9bae43b6574681541808d8650a94ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637370443423858089&sdata=uiHbSBcX1u98%2BzKHSm%2FmixuN7VAGsKdrncNF%2BLlwEdw%3D&reserved=0

Nope, I'm not summarising that.

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 02:09:34 -0400
From: grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com>
To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
Subject: Tools: Apes, and AK-47s
Message-ID:
    <CAD2Ti29ddAiw1EzeMO0WKppnKoPcHWgupKF09gsVQtF7oO0U5A at mail.gmail.com>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 06:31:23 +0000 (UTC)
From: jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com>
To: "cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org" <cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org>,
    "Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0" <punks at tfwno.gf>
Subject: Re: 1984: Starlink First Partner: Local Cops and State
    Military
Message-ID: <987223102.190897.1601447483078 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, 09:14:36 PM PDT, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks at tfwno.gf> wrote:

 On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 23:36:03 -0400
grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:

>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnbc.com%2F2020%2F09%2F29%2Fwashington-emergency-responders-use-spacex-starlink-satellite-internet.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe9bae43b6574681541808d8650a94ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637370443423858089&sdata=htHNPpkPQQqBEUI6TH31gQpYQQXDcOOYoEntUbDa8uA%3D&reserved=0

>    Cool! So Jim Bell was right! Musko is a Libertarian Randroidic Hero and US Technology is making the world even more freer and perfect!

I think you are (deliberately) misrepresenting what I actually said.  That's called a "strawman".    https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FStraw_man&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cfe9bae43b6574681541808d8650a94ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637370443423858089&sdata=7rclpuZ9sbo%2FqDY2KQRowib2d0tfMtqIp6ildlOBRVw%3D&reserved=0   A good clue is that you don't actually quote me. Go back and quote me.  

What I believe I DID say, and what I will say again, is that Musk is putting himself into a position where he could do a great deal of good for libertarian causes, in part by bypassing governments' ability to censor or cut off Internet access.   If he chooses to do so.  And I think, therefore, it is important that "we" (Cypherpunks and pro-freedom people) make sure he is aware that we know what he will be able to do, and what we think he SHOULD do.
As grarpamp just posted:
grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com>To:cypherpunks at cpunks.orgTue, Sep 29 at 10:39 PMHow India Censors The Web

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"Nation states around the world engage in web censorship using a variety of legal and technical methods. India is no different in this regard: the Government of India can legally order internet service providers (ISPs) operating in its jurisdiction to block access to certain websites for its users. This makes the situation different from jurisdictions like Iran and China, where internet censorship is largely centralised. Legal provisions in India, namely Section 69A and Section 79 of the Information Technology (IT) Act, allow the Central Government and the various courts in the country to issue website-blocking orders that ISPs are legally bound to comply with. Most of these orders are not publically available."

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com.censorwatch.netprobesapp
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Investigating TLS blocking in India

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