Tor, the pentagon's cyberweapon

Karl gmkarl at
Tue Oct 13 13:12:58 PDT 2020

I'm burning out a bit so I want to add,

Please if you have better ideas of what _to_ do, suggest them.
Haven't read any proposals yet.

On 10/13/20, Karl <gmkarl at> wrote:
> On 10/13/20, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks at> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:39:34 -0400
>> Karl <gmkarl at> wrote:
>>> On 10/13/20, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks at> wrote:
>>> > 	The information is  unknown to the vast majority of tor users,
>>> > including
>>> > all the tor users who use tor in 'dark markets' and end up in jail.
>>> That's important information.  You spew a lot of hard to believe
>>> extreme interpretations, do you have a link or personal story to back
>>> this up?
>> 	if people knew that tor is a scam they wouldn't use it. That's my
>> 'interpretation'. I guess your 'interpretation' is that everybody knows
>> that
>> tor is shit and they still use it? Because they like to die in jail for
>> selling drugs, like ross ulbricht?
>> 	also, majority of people know little about computers, let alone a highly
>> specialized topic like 'anonymity networks'. Last but not least, sounds
>> as
>> if you never talked to any tor pusher? This list had/has a few of them...
> punk, it's not helpful to tell people not to use tor.  tor _increases
> their anonymity_. it _is_ helpful to make sure they know they are
> _still not fully anonymous_ using it.  We want people using tor, and
> understanding that they are still not anonymous.  The increased
> anonymity reduces the random harm, and increases the flow of free
> information.
>> 	anyway, if you want to make something that actually works, don't bother
>> with tor's source but start with the 'conceptual' design. Notice that one
>> of
>> tor's core 'features' is a handful of 'directory authorities' (owned by
>> the
>> pentagon of course) - but even if the handful of servers that control the
>> network would not be owned by the enemy, they would still be problematic.
> Do you assume that 'feature' can't be pulled out?  last i looked it
> was more educational institutions than the pentagon, dunno.

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