Tor, the pentagon's cyberweapon

[Karl]

On 10/13/20, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks at tfwno.gf> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 15:39:34 -0400
> Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/13/20, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks at tfwno.gf> wrote:
>> > 	The information is  unknown to the vast majority of tor users,
>> > including
>> > all the tor users who use tor in 'dark markets' and end up in jail.
>>
>> That's important information.  You spew a lot of hard to believe
>> extreme interpretations, do you have a link or personal story to back
>> this up?
>
>
> 	if people knew that tor is a scam they wouldn't use it. That's my
> 'interpretation'. I guess your 'interpretation' is that everybody knows that
> tor is shit and they still use it? Because they like to die in jail for
> selling drugs, like ross ulbricht?
>
> 	also, majority of people know little about computers, let alone a highly
> specialized topic like 'anonymity networks'. Last but not least, sounds as
> if you never talked to any tor pusher? This list had/has a few of them...

punk, it's not helpful to tell people not to use tor.  tor _increases
their anonymity_. it _is_ helpful to make sure they know they are
_still not fully anonymous_ using it.  We want people using tor, and
understanding that they are still not anonymous.  The increased
anonymity reduces the random harm, and increases the flow of free
information.

> 	anyway, if you want to make something that actually works, don't bother
> with tor's source but start with the 'conceptual' design. Notice that one of
> tor's core 'features' is a handful of 'directory authorities' (owned by the
> pentagon of course) - but even if the handful of servers that control the
> network would not be owned by the enemy, they would still be problematic.

Do you assume that 'feature' can't be pulled out?  last i looked it
was more educational institutions than the pentagon, dunno.