For all those who can't handle the anarchic internet

Karl gmkarl at
Sun Nov 15 16:21:14 PST 2020

On 11/15/20, jamesd at <jamesd at> wrote:
>> On 11/15/20, jamesd at <jamesd at> wrote:
>>> In order to do anything, you need space to do it in and stuff to do it
>>> with, and when many people are cooperating in a space with stuff people
>>> are going fight over whose space it is and whose stuff it is.
> On 2020-11-16 08:14, Karl wrote:
>> If anybody needs more space, more stuff, or any other kind of help,
>> find a way to let the rest of us know.  We're working together, we're
>> resourceful, and we can find enough for everyone.
> "Why are you excluding us" tends, in practice, to be rapidly followed by
> "You don't belong here. If you don't like what we are doing, go build
> your own place.
> Soon thereafter followed by a second round of "why are you excluding us".
> Observe how fast the founders get kicked out once they agree to an open
> source code of conduct.  Similarly, reflect on so many cities and
> suburbs now occupied by people who did not build them and cannot
> maintain them, as for example the ruins of Detroit, Nasa, and America's
> nuclear arsenal.
> In order to get anything done, you have to exclude bad people, and bad
> people do not carry an unambiguous label on them, so you have to exclude
> people who profile as bad, regardless of the (unknown and suspect)
> content of their character.

I don't see any need to exclude _people_.  If Karl never posted
anything, nobody would mind if he were subscribed to the list.  But
often it's highly helpful to reduce certain behaviors.  In a normal
community, this can be done by addressing their reasons.

It takes a lot of practice to be able to say all the different
translations of "you're cool and important.  we're addressing this
other concern right now but should have it resolved within a timeframe
and capacity.  let's make time to make sure your concerns are
addressed: I think others have the issue too."  It's a lot easier to
learn to say that well among people who are already experienced in
living that way for a long time, in the same kind of community and

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