How Do We Escape Computer Controlled Propaganda Flow

[Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0]

On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 19:35:23 -0500
Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:


> oops, email not sent privately

	heh - I'm replying on-list. It's the same stuff we discuss all the time but it's still important. 



> so, you feel software development is bad, and are interested in preventing it?

	no, I don't think development of actually useful software is bad, and there is a lot of great free software. What I think is counterproductive is the idea that serious political problems can or will be fixed with software. Now, I could be completely wrong from a practical point view, except that political changes in the last 30 have been a disaster and cryptography and the arpanet have not stopped them but rather made the changes even more toxic. 

	I'm not preventing anyone from writing an 'app' that would overthrow government or whatever. If that could be done, then sombebody should have done it by now. But in reality what we see is that the arpanet and computers are creating the worst kind of automatized tyranny. 


	While Jim Bell spams more elon-musk-technofascist-propaganda. 
 

> 
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 7:29 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks at tfwno.gf> wrote:
> > > we were mind controlled to take over the world forever, and we learned
> > > to resist.
> > >
> > > obviously publically murdering powerful people produces secret
> > > militaries of the powerful and wealthy who escape
> > >
> >
> >         justice is a fundamental value and criminals must pay for their crimes. All of them. But if some escape they will think twice about their 'lifestyle'.
> 
> I can't agree with punishment.  Everyone is someone else's criminal,
> very seriously.


	I'm not talking about punishment, but justice. For instance, thieves have to return what they stole. You wouldn't see that as punishment would you? Or do you think it's 'unfair' for a  thief to return the loot to his legitimate owner? 

	Then you have people who are responsible for kidnapping, torturing, murdering, etc. Those people also have to pay damages. And that's not 'punishment' either.