How Do We Escape Computer Controlled Propaganda Flow

[Karl]

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 5:37 PM \0xDynamite <dreamingforward at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Really?  I know how to find philes I want -- if I need them.  Do you?
> >
> >         what files are you talking about?  the_bible.pdf?
>
> Lolz, that one's legal to copy, for the most part.  Why did you make a
> personal attack?  Are you unable to use reason alone?

personal attacks is how punk-stasi is most free to communicate.  i
don't believe they are meant personally.

>
> > > >         This is the cypherpunks mailing list? Weren't cypherpunks advocates of anonimity or something?
> > >
> > > Geez man, can't you pick up on it when someone's trying to teach you something?
> > >
> > > Anonymity and accountability are two contrary aims.  If you want one,
> > > you don't get the other.  Get it?
> >
> >         dude. What do you think you're teaching me, exactly? *I* pointed out *first* that 'accountable' voting and anonimity are at odds. Learn 2 read.
>
> Regardless of your anarchist philosophy, you seek leaders.  Perhaps
> because deep in your DNA you know these questions were already
> answered.  So, if you have leaders, you'll want accountability.

you can even have accountability without leaders!

re: anonymity: for example we could reduce the network time allocated
to behaviors that result in harm to a consensus algorithm, challenging
people who desire to transmit such traffic, to support efforts to
improve that algorithm in some way.

>
> > > No, contrary to your anarcho-punk philosophy, all power is not held in
> > > politics.  Much of the hardware is controlled by base economic forces
> > > of simply wanting to get money.
> >
> >         all of the hardware is manufactured by corporations that are just arms of the government. So like I said, at the root there's only political power.
>
> Corps are not just arms of the government, unless you want to talk
> about octopus-type arms of the all-seeing-eye.  In the octopus, each
> arm is an individual and acts separately, but they share at least some
> common desire or core.  It could be survival in the case of America,
> at this point.

to add some third viewpoint, some people describe strong coercive
power as 'the real government'

>
> > > Snowden is a sheep in whistleblower clothing -- his "knowledge" of seekrit powers in tech devices is  bullshit.
> >
> >         not sure how snowden got into the picture? Oh sorry yeah. You're ranting.
>
> You're not sure.  That's a good start.
>
> > > You've fallen under it because you don't have mastery of the tech.
> >
> >         wut
>
> The response of the nubile who's been caught, wanting to know how I
> can know something that you never revealed.
>
> > > Get a degree and become a real expert or learn by yourself by following paths online
> >
> >         what do you want me to learn, exactly?
>
> Some real computer science, or at least some programming, maybe math.
>
> > > simply be respectful to other people who HAVE done this work
> >
> >         LMAO! What 'work' are you talking about
>
> Mastering the tech that you say is controlled by governments, duh.
>
> > > Until then, you're just a loudmouth.
> >
> >         a jew-fascist like you shouldn't badmouth his betters. Your knowledge of political philosophy is a lot worse than non-existent. Your knowledge of 'tech' is prolly just as bad.
>
> You're just being a loudmouth.  Either have some real Truth, skills,
> or try somewhere else than cypherpunks to get relevance.
>
> > > Cryptography by itself *has* gotten us nowhere, because nothing we  REALLY wanted to do required going against the law.
> >
> >         what 'law' are you talking about here?
> >
> > > And what is it  that we REALLY want to do?  (hmm, free society, creative culture,
> > > radical love)
> >
> >         those things are obviously against all government laws. So which law is this law you mentioned?
>
> Tell me, punk, is the law more powerful than Man?
>
> Marxos