How Do We Escape Computer Controlled Propaganda Flow

Mon Nov 9 14:48:26 PST 2020

Hmmm, I'm not sure what curl is supposed to do, when I tried it on
http rather than https, I got 301:  moved permanently.

When I tried known sites like mit.edu, I got a 302: moved permanently.

So what should it do?

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 4:04 PM Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 4:41 PM \0xDynamite <dreamingforward at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > It works.  But try wiki.hackerspaces.org.
>
> I don't understand what you mean by `it works`.  What do you think of
> this terminal snippet?
> ```
> $ curl -v https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/
> * About to connect() to wiki.hackerspaces.org port 443 (#0)
> *   Trying 212.12.52.48...
> * Connected to wiki.hackerspaces.org (212.12.52.48) port 443 (#0)
> * Initializing NSS with certpath: sql:/etc/pki/nssdb
> *   CAfile: /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt
>   CApath: none
> * SSL connection using TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
> * Server certificate:
> *       subject: CN=wiki.hackspaces.org
> *       start date: Oct 30 01:00:18 2020 GMT
> *       expire date: Jan 28 01:00:18 2021 GMT
> *       common name: wiki.hackspaces.org
> *       issuer: CN=Let's Encrypt Authority X3,O=Let's Encrypt,C=US
> > GET / HTTP/1.1
> > User-Agent: curl/7.29.0
> > Host: wiki.hackerspaces.org
> > Accept: */*
> >
> < HTTP/1.1 504 Gateway Time-out
> < Server: nginx
> < Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 22:03:40 GMT
> < Content-Type: text/html
> < Content-Length: 160
> < Connection: keep-alive
> <
> <html>
> <head><title>504 Gateway Time-out</title></head>
> <body>
> <center><h1>504 Gateway Time-out</h1></center>
> <hr><center>nginx</center>
> </body>
> </html>
> * Connection #0 to host wiki.hackerspaces.org left intact
> ```
>
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 2:50 PM Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 3:22 PM \0xDynamite <dreamingforward at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > So which do you prefer:  accountability or anonymity?  The power goes
> > > > > > both ways.  Pick one.
> > > > >
> > > > >         This is the cypherpunks mailing list? Weren't cypherpunks advocates of anonimity or something?
> > > >
> > > > Geez man, can't you pick up on it when someone's trying to teach you something?
> > > >
> > > > Anonymity and accountability are two contrary aims.  If you want one,
> > > > you don't get the other.  Get it?
> > > >
> > > > > > >         but all those things are controlled by political power. 'information flow' is controlled by US corporations at a global scale for instance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No these things are not just controlled by political power.
> > > > >
> > > > >         I mean, abstract mathematics is obviously NOT controlled by political power, but all the infrastructure clearly is.
> > > >
> > > > No, contrary to your anarcho-punk philosophy, all power is not held in
> > > > politics.  Much of the hardware is controlled by base economic forces
> > > > of simply wanting to get money.  Snowden is a sheep in whistleblower
> > > > clothing -- his "knowledge" of seekrit powers in tech devices is
> > > > bullshit.  There are also social forces driving things.  Unfortunately
> > > > the powers that run the world are at level 100 or so, while the people
> > > > are generally at LVL 20 or less, so they get mystified, used,
> > > > confused, and paranoid.   You've fallen under it because you don't
> > > > have mastery of the tech.  That's all.  Get a degree and become a real
> > > > expert or learn by yourself by following paths online, like the one I
> > > > put on hackerspaces.org (OneTruePath).  OR, get this, simply be
> > >
> > > 504 Gateway Error over here, and not on archive.org .
> > >
> > > > respectful to other people who HAVE done this work and learn something
> > > > from THEM.
> > > >
> > > > Until then, you're just a loudmouth.
> > > >
> > > > >         Point being, cryptography by itself will get you nowhere, AND cryptography is a pretty toxic tool in the hands of the political powers that control its practical application.
> > > >
> > > > Cryptography by itself *has* gotten us nowhere, because nothing we
> > > > REALLY wanted to do required going against the law.  And what is it
> > > > that we REALLY want to do?  (hmm, free society, creative culture,
> > > > radical love, ....)
> > > >
> > > > \0xD