How Do We Escape Computer Controlled Propaganda Flow

Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 punks at
Mon Nov 9 14:32:19 PST 2020

On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 15:24:30 -0500
Karl <gmkarl at> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 2:38 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks at> wrote:

> >         you need to identify people to make 'votes unalterable' - the very opposite of anonimity.
> I see you expressing some of the things you usually express.  I don't
> believe your assumption here is true: you can make votes unalterable
> and not identify people.  I'm not a cryptographer.

	even if there's some crypto trick to do something that looks kinda anonymous, you still have to identify which people are 'authorized' to vote. Authority being of course the keyword here. In reality voting is a wholly statist mechanism that takes for granted the 'authority' of the state or other mafia and the absurd idea that mob majority rule has any legitimacy at all. 

	If we want to fix the current political problems it may be a good idea to first identify them. 

> >         'underground' network using broadcast radio and NSA hardware? And what would you do with your 'underground' network anyway? Use it to talk to government agents?  

> Obviously, the answer is to finally talk with people who aren't  government agents.

	Yeah, but how do you know who is an agent in an 'underground' and (hopefully) anonymous network? 
	Anyway, an actually anonymous network may weaken the power of govcorp somewhat but it's hardly a panacea. And what I was getting at is that writing programs is pointless if people don't use the programs. So even if you had a working design for say an anonymous network, it woud still have to be 'deployed', which is something the users themselves would have to do. Which in turn requires the users to be aware of various technical and political issues, et cetera. 

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