Dalton Minimum possible over next few years -- Re: It is Global Cooling we should fear the most
gmkarl at gmail.com
Sat May 16 03:25:30 PDT 2020
Interested in seeing respectful review of both sides of these opinions.
Science that ignores the opposing arguments is not science.
On Fri, May 15, 2020, 10:06 PM Zig the N.g <ziggerjoe at yandex.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 09:13:25PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:37:02AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 09:18:19PM +0000, jim bell wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 12:46:40 PM PST, Kurt Buff <
> kurt.buff at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:33 AM jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > >> (Full disclosure: I have a Bachelor's degree in Chemistry from
> MIT, Class of 1980).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> While I am not sufficently convinced that, quantitatively,
> "global warming" ("climate change"), or more specifically AGW
> (Anthropogenic Global Warning) is a genuine problem, I'd say it would be
> irresponsible to not prepare for the possibility that this sulfur-injection
> protocol will be necessary, or at least useful. It should be quite cheap.
> Further, there are likely to be various (positive) feedback-loops
> associated with global warming, such as the thawing of permafrost, whose
> magnitude aren't well-understood.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I suspect that the main opposition to this idea comes from people
> who see "climate change" as simply an opportunity to increase government
> control over the world. They think that they've found themselves one hell
> of a problem, but a problem which would be threatened, like garlic or a
> silver bullet, or a gold cross, to a vampire.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >So, the solution to warming is smog? Really? Perhaps if injected at
> > > > high enough altitude it won't affect lungs, but it seems like SO2
> > > > isn't something we want to pump into the atmosphere...
> > > > Kurt
> > > >
> > > > Ironically, that solution will likely be correct. But to understand
> why, it helps to know that circulation between the lower-levels of the
> atmosphere (say, under 10,000 AGL (above ground level)) and the upper
> levels, say around 60,000 feet AGL is quite slow. SO2 injected at low
> levels of the atmosphere will wash out in weeks or months due to rain.
> SO2 injected at, say, 60,000 feet AGL will probably last for years. That
> SO2 will eventually diffuse downward and be lost due to rain as well, but
> far less SO2 will need to be added at 60,000 feet than is currently being
> added from ground-level sources.
> > > > China's coal-fired power plants currently emit huge amounts of
> ground-level SO2, which could be scrubbed just like America's plants.
> http://www.pnas.org/content/115/27/7004 And, presumably, should be
> scrubbed. But only a far smaller amount of SO2, than could be scrubbed
> from China's coal-fired power plants would need to be released at 60,000
> feet AGL, each on a per-year basis, to accomplish the cooling effect
> required. I looked it up, maybe a year ago, and I think the comparison was
> 32 million tons/year v. 1 million tons/year. I hope I'm remembering it
> > > >
> > > > Jim Bell
> > >
> > > We actually want the earth to be a warm, wet greenhouse. In fact,
> > > life demands as much...
> > The Little Ice Age with Solar Minimum, and the only problem this
> > Earth really has to worry about, right on cue:
> > Martin Armstrong: Global Cooling, Not Warming, Is What We Should
> > Fear Most
> > … This is what I keep pointing out that cold is what kills society
> > and creates poverty – not warming.
> > The Year Without Summer: 1816
> > … Beneath the snow, after weeks of severe cold, the ground was
> > frozen solid to a depth of two feet. Packed ice in the road made
> > the journey very hazardous.
> > … John Adams: “… Posterity! You will never know, how much it cost
> > the present Generation, to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will
> > make a good Use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven,
> > that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it.”
> You're right Zenaan, global cooling and a new Dalton Minimum might be
> about to hit us over the next few years - anuddah "mini Ice Age" possible,
> Global Cooling!! Low Solar Activity To Cause Temperatures To Plummet,
> Say Scientists
> Paul Joseph Watson via Summit News
> `The Sun is entering a period of “solar minimum” that could cause
> temperatures to plummet by up to 2C over 20 years and trigger a global
> famine, according to experts.
> Solar activity has entered a deep decline with scientists saying
> there have already been 100 days this year where the sun has displayed zero
> NASA boffins say this means that the earth could be about to
> experience a new “Dalton Minimum,” the period between 1790 and 1830 which
> led to a severe prolonged cold snap and massive volcanic eruptions.
> “This means were could be entering one of the deepest period of
> sunshine recession which could trigger long periods of cold, famine and
> other issues,” reports the Daily Star.
> The Sun has now recorded two consecutive years of record setting
> spotlessness, being blank 77% of the time in 2019 and 76% of the time so
> far this year.
> This means a deep solar minimum is coming which will cause
> temperatures to drop drastically.
> This once again serves as a reminder that the Sun is by far the most
> influential driver of climate and makes the impact of so-called man-made
> climate change look tame in comparison.
> How are institutions of science, academia and media that have fully
> committed to the notion that anthropogenic global warming will cause
> environmental devastation going to react when the globe starts rapidly
> Meanwhile, Greta Thunberg has been noticeably quiet on the matter.
> PJW on Greta Thunberg and "peak masculinity"
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