Industrial society and its present

Zenaan Harkness zen at
Sun Jun 21 21:55:10 PDT 2020

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 01:26:23AM +0200, recondite at wrote:
> Jun 20, 2020, 23:44 by coderman at
> > imagine a fully self contained (by extension, fully decentralized!) technology...
> Fully self-contained and fully decentralized are mutually exclusive, change my mind.
> > ...remove these errors via second sight over your shoulder...
> >
> Are you talking about the errors that people make while interacting in the social world? Wtf is second sight and who's looking over my shoulder? 
> > a great equalizer for the common person, as they interact with society!
> So are guns.

A good example.

> > the fact that we've built technology infrastructures around centralized control and end-user antagonistic devices is no inherent flaw of technology... 
> The inherent flaw in technology is that every new kind, from the cotton gin to the smartphone, has been wielded as a weapon over the many to siphon money and power to the few. 


> It's true that objects have no inherent moral standing but that's missing the point. There's no inherent flaw in a handgun, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a problem. And don't take me the wrong way, I like guns.

And so if the inventors or gunpowder, and of guns, and of lathes, and of honing, and etc, had each had a definitive moment in time where they could heve -not- done their particular invention, ought they have so buried their invention?

> > ...the aggregate errors of fallible humans choosing convenience and cheap, again and again.
> >
> > redirecting human effort toward human-centric decentralized technology left as an exercise for the reader. ;)
> I can generally agree with this. The continual choice of cheap and easy that the end user makes is beginning to bite them back. Decentralized technology at the moment harder to use if not more expensive but is much less victimizing. 

Possibly so.

Perhaps a fundamental issue is "end users" choosing "shiny/ enslaving/ 'no' cost to me" over "liberating/ less featureful/ requires more personal effort"?

We are all end-users of many many products, so "what choices have I made today or this week" ... "how have I communicated with another today or this week, in any way which may effect their or my thinking about freedom" ...

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