Industrial society and its present

Punk-Stasi 2.0 punks at
Sat Jun 20 15:16:45 PDT 2020

On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 22:52:11 +0200 (CEST)
recondite at wrote:

> I'm reminded of the Thomas Jefferson quote, "a well-informed electorate is a prerequisite to democracy." Well, the same is true for any societal structure, those that are involved need to be well-informed in order to navigate the system and not get fucked over. 


> What's great for the elites of today is that the system (almost any/every system) is so incredibly complex that the people within it are likely never going to understand how it functions. Frankly, the people in power don't need to know how it works either, just how to operate it enough to where it maximizes their benefit. 


> Since technology is basically magic to the common citizen it's the easiest thing to use to manipulate them. So, yes; I think this character of an average man has lost absolute control over his internet enabled property. Machine learning is still far from making conscious decisions as far as I can tell. Algorithms can decide what information belongs on what list or what anus muscles resemble an authorized toilet user's but what to do with that information generally has to go up a hierarchy with mostly humans on the top of it. 

	Yeah, so called machine learning is just a tool used by humans. The fact that a 'trained' program can classify pictures of cats and dogs doesn't imply any actual 'intelligence'...contrary to techofascist marketing. Also, 'big data' and 'machine learning' are newspeak for total automated surveillance. 

> We're in some kind of purgatory between elites controlling the tech and the tech controlling the elites; the general public has negligible suspicion which will probably continue ad infinitum. I think one or two of three things could happen in the future, (1) oligarchic technocrats rule the world (possibly already do, it's debatable), (2) the people get smart and learn tools they should know in order to take digital power back (the cryptoanarchists win), or (3) the machines gain sentience and side with one general population (commons or elites) or just kill everyone off in a Darwinian stage of evolution. 
> Call me a techno-retard but save the "worshiping" slander thank you very much.

	Haha, I don't think the "techno-worshiping" part applies to you. Neither does the retard part =P 

	As to the idea of sentient machines somehow created by humans, it lends itself to a lot of interesting speculation and sci-fi, but it doesn't seem to be a practical issue at the moment. A more likely scenario in a not so distant future might be 'enhanced' 'elites' with brain implants, and 'enhanced' serfs with brain 

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