Greg Newby gbnewby at
Fri Jun 19 06:13:51 PDT 2020

Possibly useful advice for @gmail users below, also some list diagnostics:

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 03:20:50PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
> On 06/18/2020 02:29 PM, Se7en wrote:
> > On 20-06-18 14:23:02, Mirimir wrote:
> >> Thanks. I wasn't paying attention, but I did notice the warning about my
> >> list membership being disabled:
> >>
> >>> Your membership in the mailing list cypherpunks has been disabled due
> >>> to excessive bounces
> >>
> >> I'm not sure whether that was a cypherpunks server issue, or a Riseup
> >> issue, which was perhaps triggered by a cypherpunks server issue.
> > 
> > The list admin published a few days ago that the list was experiencing
> > trouble and has been rectified. You must not have recieved that
> > message. Check the public archive. 
> Looking in the public archive, the first hint of a problem was Georgi
> Guninski's "pong" and Greg Newby's reply at Jun 15 05:25:59 PDT 2020:
> Then there's the message from Greg at Jun 16 19:39:50 PDT 2020, saying
> that the "the list was bouncing all day today (after around 9am US
> Eastern Daylight Time)" and that "[t]hings now seem to be fixed":

That was a temporary 13-hour problem caused by a specific misconfiguration I applied. There is no indication that mail delivery problems before that are related.

> But GTI.H and Georgi Guninski both reported on Jun 17 that they still
> weren't getting list messages to Gmail accounts:
> I got the last message before today at Jun 14 14:38:29 PDT 2020:
> I got the membership disabled message at 18 Jun 2020 00:15:00 -0700, and
> it said:
> > Your membership in the mailing list cypherpunks has been disabled due
> to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
> 18-Jun-2020.  You will not get any more messages from this list until
> you re-enable your membership.  You will receive 2 more reminders like
> this before your membership in the list is deleted.
> That is, messages to me were bouncing from late Jun 14 through Jun 17.

There were a ton of bounces from (there are several subscribers, not only you).

I suspect that this WAS due to the misconfiguration I did, but I didn't save the 450+ bounce notifications.

You should be able to reenable your subscription as directed... let me know if you run into trouble.

> Anyway, it's not a big deal. I'm just curious whether bouncing started
> earlier, perhaps on Jun 14, and why Google and Riseup kept bouncing
> messages after Greg fixed the cypherpunks server.

Here's the important part (saved for the end):

For users, I experimented by subscribing a gmail address to the list.

I found that MOST (not quite all) messages were flagged as spam and therefore did not arrive in my inbox.

I flagged as "not spam" to extract them from the spam folder, which might train gmail.

But the approach I suggest is to create a filter in gmail. This is easy in the Web interface, but I don't know about other clients. Simply make a filter so that messages with "list:(" or to/cc cypherpunks at are never flagged as spam.

 - Greg

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