freedom - evolution of jew-kristian fascism in the western cesspool [RESEND]

Karl gmkarl at
Thu Jun 11 00:57:39 PDT 2020

Hey Dynamite,

You write too much here for me to read it all, but it sounds valuable.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 9:22 PM \0xDynamite <dreamingforward at> wrote:

> >> Well, you see, I'm at a little bit of an impasse.  What am I going to
> >> do in my anarchist paradise when such a threat to freedom arises?
> >> Arrest him isn't an option.  Hope that he'll see the light of anarchy?
> >>  Club him?  I'm in the darkness here, help me see the light.
> >
> > People struggle for power because something is going wrong for them.
> You and your friends either find paths to change that situation with him,
> or you stop or get rid of him.  You can totally arrest him if you like that
> word, but his people are liable to start a rebellion and overtake your
> self-appointed leadership, in response, some day, because you ignored his
> reason for striving for power.
> >
> > Are you saying you support everyone being controlled by the whims of the
> powerful?
> Not at all.  Firstly, speaking on behalf of prophesy (not myself --
> which sits in between vertical and horizontal systems of order),

I also am between vertical and horizontal.  It is good to share this with
you.  I am heavily horizontal-biased but I am not exposed to the mainstream
horizontal teachings.  I form my own views that are compatible.

people might strive for power because they wish to create something
> that cannot be accomplished without personal -- not collective --
> rewards.  This probably requires hierarchy, and this requires some
> system of government if it is to be sustained past one's personal
> whims.  There are legitimate, UNIVERSAL needs for vertical growth to
> be an ongoing component in the universe to stave off the tendency for
> entropy.

Nothing is required and everything is possible.

I see that vertical behavior is universal but it looks microscopic to me.
A horizontal approach can do everything a vertical approach can.  People
used to thinking in hierarchy only see hierarchical solutions because their
brains have so much more habitual skill around thinking of them.

Everyone else has some compatible urge to the person striving for power.
This person could work together with these other people and meet their
needs faster.  They would have to think of sharing power with others as a
primary strategy, to do this, and so would the other people.

But to answer your question more directly, people can be directed, not
> by the whims of the powerful, but by their merit.  Every anarchist
> knows that some people have more merit in some dimension that another
> doesn't.  It's a natural by-product of the diversity of human
> experience.

And similarly we can all learn the skills ourselves that give other people
their merit, if we want.

Proper government can utilize these facts to build
> something from a higher-level, systems perspective that cannot be
> accomplished from the whim of the mob, to turn your phrase.  That is,
> by VIRTUE, of their higher position, they can see and organize
> possibilities which cannot otherwise be accomplished (generally).

What you are expressing here on my side is that because we are all used to
thinking hierarchically, it seems easier to do so for most right now.

The problem with building top-down globally is that your feedback for
undiscussed error is violent rebellion.  If you build bottom up your
feedback is that nobody is helping you, which is a lot safer, man.

All of this political theory is not at all meant to take the wind out
> of the sails of those who fight for true justice and virtuous liberty,
> but to show that history has dealt with some of these issues and
> democracy is/was the only way forward.

You should be aware of things like convergent facilitation, setting norms
of conflict mediation instead of rules, sociocracy, consensus: ways of
making group decisions and handling things that include everyone's needs
but talk about problems that voting can lead to.

Nobody is fighting inclusion or communication.  It seems to me that
"democracy" is an attempt at anarchy that failed due to majority-vote, but
politically they seem basically the same thing:

This is also the prediction of
> the prophecy of the Jews.  The issue that is making present democracy
> fail is the co-option by big media

To generalize, the issue is that people are not engaging in forthright
political discussion across boundaries: instead we are listening to the
biggest nearest opinion, presently big media.  Big media could change that
by spreading a norm of productive debate.

and other private sources and a
> failed election model that requires someone to be in office even if
> they aren't supported by the populace.  I've helped deliver an
> alternative to the "winner-takes-all" model presently used in America
> and the "electoral college" which takes away some of that
> representation.  It's called Fractional Voting and it allows each
> voter to vote FOR and AGAINST each candidate or put all of their votes
> on one.  That alone fixes 90% of the present voting problems
> (two-party emergent dualities, apathy caused by feeling of
> powerlessness, mis-voting because people couldn't vote for a small
> candidate for fear of losing to a greater evil, and others).

It sounds like you know what you are doing.  Personally it hurts to hear
you say "90% of the present voting problems" when the hereditary, most
experienced, stewards of our country have their cultures locked in tiny
reservations where their people are dying or dead, and there
_is_no_public_fair_debate_ on issues like this, while our ignoring of their
experience is causing widespread destruction of our politics, health and
environment.  Peaceful "governance" was solved thousands of years ago in
many diverse ways, and most of this information is severely fragmented or
lost now.  Fractional voting sounds like a wonderful improvement to be
greatly supported.  I was in Maine when ranked-choice-voting started.

> The prophecy calls for the government to fall back to the next
> lower-level government if there aren't enough POSITIVE votes for any
> candidate in the highest position of power, and failing that it goes
> back to the People themselves (until the next election cycle which
> delivers a qualified, supported candidate).

That sounds natural and inevitable, and I don't think it has to be this
sudden or disruptive, but it seems deadly (in an honestly non-threatening
way) to assume elections keep happening afterwards.  Why are you
referencing a Jewish prophecy?

It's about a perfect, secular order that came about from
> deconstructing the body of the human with perfect Will:  how their
> internal system of choice-management, execution, resource allocation
> IN THEIR OWN BODY happened, a form of bio-mimicry.

Please message me in private about such off-topic things if you would like
to relate around their obviousness (jewish? wtf?).  I don't want to be
disrupting this list.  My number for telegram, signal, and sms is +1 207
518 8256 and if I do not reply it means I have not received the message yet.

If you stop and think about it, we all are the benefactors of such
> emergent order within our own body -- our cells cooperate with us,
> even though it is a hierarchy, to some degree.
> Anyway, these are notes from the Underground, for the enlightenment of
> the masses who will strive to deserve it, for it will make a society
> that is worthy of Creation itself.

WE ARE ALL WORTHY, AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN.  Those who cannot speak or defend
themselves are the most worthy of all, over here, to the death.

Sorry for propaganda of obviousness, list.

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