Tianenmen square history -- Livin the BatSoup Dream - A vote for "D" is a vote for Xi - China goes "Mr. Hyde" on the world - [PEACE]

Karl gmkarl at gmail.com
Sat Jun 6 06:20:55 PDT 2020

Thank you for sharing this information.

Found these bits missing:
- Despite a new order banning the practice, activists held a vigil in
memorial of the event this year, with thousands attending.  From same news
site.  They may need support to be able to continue this in furthet years.
- There is video and declassified information on the event that may be
precious to Chinese activists if ever lost.  From the linked articles.  I
do not know where to find these things.
- None of the decision makers from the massacre have formal decision-making
positions as powerful as during it, but a couple still have presence on the
world stage.  From wikipedia.  I do not support blaming events on those who
order them, preferring to look for underlying cultural and systems causes.
- The article puts democracy and communism in opposition.  The intensity of
the historical event sustains this deception.  There is nothing impossible
about democratic communism or tyrannical capitalism.  This cultural
confusion is partially relevence to Tiananmen 6/4 1989 that we hold today.

On the 4th of June, 1989, the People's Liberation Army isolated an immense
protest for democratic freedoms and not only machine-gunned every one of
their civilians within that area of the city, but steamrolled them after
machine gunning them, incinerated the people after they were mashed flat,
and hosed them down the drains.

This event is heavily undiscussed in China due to harm to those who discuss

To be clear, that is true terrorism: instilling unimaginable horrifying
fear around an event of importance, that nobody seems to offer validation

This sounds like a meaningful unpredictability that activists and enforcers
in China handle all the time.

It was in the past, but we'd better make sure some day that the video is on
a blockchain, to show people that that can be done in the future.

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 1:01 AM Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:

> Some history, folks:
>    The June 4 Tiananmen Square Massacre: Five Truths That Still Aren't
> Widely Known
> https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-june-4-tiananmen-square-massacre-five-truths-that-still-arent-widely-known_3374891.html
> https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/june-4-tiananmen-square-massacre-five-truths-still-arent-widely-known
>       Following the sudden death of a beloved political reformer, Hu
> Yaobang, 200,000 students gathered at Tiananmen Square on April 22, 1989,
> to await the hearse carrying Hu’s body - but it never arrived. The mass of
> students were angered, and their burning desire for freedom could be
> contained no more.
>       https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-tiananmen-square
>       For the next few weeks, Tiananmen Square was occupied by these
> student protesters, who aimed at making reality their dream of ridding the
> country of communist tyranny and bringing democratic reform to China. Their
> non-violent demonstration perhaps brought a glimmer of hope … until the
> army moved in. Although martial law was declared on May 20 that year, what
> caused the army to suddenly go on a killing rampage on June 4?
>       https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-june-4
>       [image]
>          L: Thousands of Chinese gather on June 2, 1989, in Tiananmen
> Square around “The Goodness of Democracy,” demanding democracy despite
> martial law in Beijing. (CATHERINE HENRIETTE/AFP via Getty Images). R: “The
> Goddess of Democracy,” a 10-meter replica of the Statue of Liberty created
> by students from an art institute to promote the pro-democracy protest
> against the Chinese government. (TOSHIO SAKAI/AFP via Getty Images)
>       --------------------
>       1. Mass-Murdered by the Chinese Regime
>       At least 10,454 people were mass-murdered by the Chinese communist
> regime on Tiananmen Square, according to an unnamed source from the Chinese
> State Council. The figure is far greater than the “official” fatality count
> of 200.
>       On June 4, 1989, students were gunned down in droves and “mown down”
> by tanks. “APCs (Armored personnel carriers) then ran over bodies time and
> time again to make ‘pie’ and remains collected by bulldozer. Remains
> incinerated and then hosed down drains,” reads part of a declassified
> statement, which was obtained by Alan Donald, Britain’s ambassador to China
> in 1989.
> https://www.theepochtimes.com/at-least-10000-killed-during-the-tiananmen-square-massacre-according-to-secret-diplomatic-cable_2396905.html
>       It’s still unconfirmed how many more were massacred during and after
> the students’ unarmed protest.
>       [image]
>          Waving banners, high school students march in Beijing streets
> near Tiananmen Square on May 25, 1989, during a rally to support the
> pro-democracy protest against the Chinese regime. (CATHERINE HENRIETTE/AFP
> via Getty Images)
>       --------------------
>       2. The Ringleader Is Still Alive
>       In addition to rolling over the students with tanks, the army fired
> high-explosive shells that expand on impact, also known as dum-dum bullets,
> (forbidden by the Geneva Convention) to kill the students in the most
> harm-inflicting way possible.
>       The question remains—what kind of a human being would order such a
> brutal mass murder of freedom-seeking civilians?
>       [image]
>          Former leader of the Chinese Communist Party Jiang Zemin (Feng
> Li/Getty Images)
>       Former paramount leader of the party Deng Xiaoping was impressed
> with Jiang Zemin’s iron-fisted proposition to use the army to crack down on
> the students, and promoted him from Party Chief of Shanghai to General
> Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party days before the massacre, giving
> him free rein to do as he liked.
>       Jiang Zemin, the mastermind behind the massacre, ordered the army to
> carry out his bloody strategy on June 4. The “gate of heavenly peace” was
> suddenly turned into hell on Earth.
>       [image]
>          Taken care of by others, an unidentified foreign journalist
> (2nd-R) is carried out from the clash site between the army and students on
> June 4, 1989, near Tiananmen Square. (TOMMY CHENG/AFP via Getty Images)
>       --------------------
>       3. Ruthless Abuse of Power
>       The Tiananmen Square Massacre was just the start of Jiang’s ruthless
> abuse of power. He went on to commit the most heinous crimes that couldn’t
> bear the light of day. In the bloody wake of the massacre, Jiang became
> Deng’s ideal heir for the next Party Chief, a position Jiang secured in
> 1993.
>       Jiang, a Marxist hardliner and ex-senior spy for the KGB’s Far-East
> Bureau, had only begun to show his true colors with how he dealt with the
> protesting students and went on to orchestrate even bloodier campaigns. In
> 1999, Jiang sought to “eradicate” Falun Gong—a popular spiritual
> practice—after the number of people practicing it rose some 100 million,
> outnumbering the then 70 million Party members, according to state-run
> reports at the time.
>       http://faluninfo.net/
>       [image]
>          Falun Gong practitioners doing the group exercise in Guangzhou,
> China, in 1998. (Minghui)
>          http://photo.minghui.org/photo/Eindex.htm
>       Under Jiang’s rule, an adroit misinformation campaign inundated
> China, turning public opinion against Falun Gong by subjecting the
> spiritual practice to extreme vilification—including the infamous Tiananmen
> Square “self-immolation” hoax, which successfully deceived the
> nation—paving the way for Jiang’s next phase: to forcibly “transform” or
> “eliminate” the meditators who refused to give up the practice.
>       In response to Jiang’s genocidal policy, believed to have caused a
> widespread yet unascertainable amount of state-approved killings, including
> forced organ harvesting, over 209,000 lawsuits have since been filed
> against Jiang, making him the most sued dictator in history.
>       [image]
>          Falun Gong practitioners at a rally in front of the Chinese
> embassy in New York City on July 3, 2015, to support the global effort to
> sue Jiang Zemin. (Larry Dye/The Epoch Times)
>       --------------------
>       4. Horrifying Accounts Kept Secret
>       A Blacklock’s Reporter obtained secret telex messages concerning
> horrifying accounts of what really happened on Tiananmen Square that day
> via access-to-information laws.
> https://www.theepochtimes.com/cables-reveal-canadian-officials-dark-views-on-1989-tiananmen-square-massacre_1228054.html
>       “An old woman knelt in front of soldiers pleading for students;
> soldiers killed her,” the Canadian embassy in Beijing reported at the time.
>       Blacklock’s writes: “A boy was seen trying to escape holding a woman
> with a 2-year old child in a stroller, and was run over by a tank”; “The
> tank turned around and mashed them up”; “Soldiers fired machine guns until
> the ammo ran out.”
>       An unbelievable amount of bullets were fired on civilians at
> Tiananmen that “they ricocheted inside nearby houses, killing many
> residents.”
>       “The embassy described the killings as ‘savage,’” according to
> Blacklock’s Reporter.
>       “They are now entering a period of vicious repression during which
> denunciations and fear of persecution will terrorize the population,” reads
> another cable obtained.
>       [image]
>          Chinese onlookers run away as a soldier threatens them with a gun
> on June 5, 1989, as tanks took position at Beijing’s key intersections next
> to the diplomatic compound. (CATHERINE HENRIETTE/AFP via Getty Images)
>       Diplomats added that some 1,000 executions took place following the
> massacre, but an exact figure is unconfirmed. “It was probably thought that
> the massacre of a few hundreds or thousands would convince the population
> not to pursue their protests. It seems to be working,” reads a statement by
> the diplomats.
>       The secret British cable, obtained by news website HK01, reveals
> more detail about the crimes of the 27 Army of Shanxi Province on the day.
> https://www.hk01.com/%E7%A4%BE%E6%9C%83%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9E/140801/%E5%85%AD%E5%9B%9B%E5%AF%86%E6%AA%94-%E8%8B%B1%E5%BC%95%E4%B8%AD%E5%9C%8B%E5%9C%8B%E5%8B%99%E9%99%A2%E6%88%90%E5%93%A1-27%E8%BB%8D%E6%8E%83%E5%B0%84-%E5%AD%B8%E7%94%9F-%E5%A3%AB%E5%85%B5%E7%9A%86%E4%B8%AD%E6%A7%8D
>       “27 Army ordered to spare no one and shot wounded SMR soldiers. Four
> wounded girl students begged for their lives but were bayoneted. A
> 3-year-old girl was injured but her mother was shot as she went to her aid
> as were six others who tried.”
>       “A thousand survivors were told they could escape via Zhengyi Lu but
> were then mown down by specially prepared M/G (machine gun) positions.”
>       [image]
>          Ailing student hunger strikers from Beijing University receive
> first aid treatment under a makeshift tent set up on May 17, 1989, at
> Tiananmen Square as students enter the 5th day of a marathon hunger strike
> as part of a mass pro-democracy protest against the Chinese government.
>       --------------------
>       5. “June 4”: A Highly Taboo Subject in China Today
>       Despite Hong Kong lighting up every evening on June 4 in an annual
> candlelight vigil to commemorate the victims of the massacre, Chinese
> mainlanders across the border are without such freedom of speech. Talking
> about the Tiananmen Square Massacre, or even mentioning “June 4,” or “6.4,”
> could have one disappear.
>       In 2007, Zhang Zhongshun, a lecturer from Yantai University, showed
> his class a video of the massacre he obtained from an overseas website. He
> was subsequently jailed for three years by Laishan City Court on Feb. 28,
> 2008.
>       [image]
>          Tens of thousands of people hold candles during a vigil in Hong
> Kong on June 4, 2018, to mark the 29th anniversary of the 1989 Tiananmen
> crackdown in Beijing. (ANTHONY WALLACE/AFP via Getty Images)
>       “I imagined that the worst case would just be that the university
> president would criticize me in front of my colleagues in a meeting. I
> would not have thought that the communist regime would imprison me,” Zhang
> told The Epoch Times in an interview after his release from the detention.
> https://www.theepochtimes.com/tiananmen-square-massacre-june-4-china-ccp-human-rights-taboo-topic_1512400.html
>       “Is it illegal even if I include a historical event into my
> lecture?” he asked.
>       [image]
>          A student displays a banner with one of the slogans chanted by
> the crowd of some 200,000 pouring into Tiananmen Square on April 22, 1989,
> in Beijing in an attempt to participate in the funeral ceremony of former
> Chinese Communist Party leader and liberal reformer Hu Yaobang. His death
> in April triggered an unprecedented wave of pro-democracy demonstrations.
> The April-June 1989 movement was crushed by Chinese troops in June when
> army tanks rolled into Tiananmen Square June 4, 1989. (CATHERINE
> HENRIETTE/AFP via Getty Images)
>       Who’d dare raise this for discussion in China knowing the
> consequences? This year marks the 31st anniversary of the Tiananmen Square
> Massacre. Will the current Chinese leaders redress the issue and bring
> Jiang Zemin to justice for his litany of crimes? Only time will tell.
> On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 11:15:46PM +1000, Zig the N.g wrote:
> > Hey hey, livin it up in Bat Stew land?  NO?  Well sweriously muh n.gs,
> you ain't not knowin what yuze missin :)
> >
> > >From the dept. of the CCP writing the Chinese memes on deyselves ..
> comes ...  The CCP - making Tank Man great again :D
> >
> > One could say "At least the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) has a sense of
> black humour."
> >
> >
> >    Hong Kong Makes "Disrespecting Chinese National Anthem" A Crime - On
> Anniversary Of 'Tiananmen Square'
> >
> https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hong-kong-makes-disrespecting-chinese-national-anthem-crime-anniversary-tiananmen
> >
> >       As if the imposition of a new "National Security" law by the
> Politburo Standing Committee wasn't enough of a kick to the face for Hong
> Kong's pro-democracy movement, the city's own executive council, which over
> the years has been packed with pro-Beijing lawmakers via anti-democratic
> tactics, has just made it illegal to "disrespect" the Chinese national
> anthem.
> >
> >       What's worse: the new law, perhaps the biggest move by the
> legislature to suppress political freedoms in the city to date, was passed
> on the anniversary of "the June 4 incident" - better known in the US as the
> Tiananmen Square massacre, which WSJ noted is a "poignant day" for Hong
> Kong.
> >
> >             For the first time, the HK Tiananmen vigil is banned.
> >             Anyone calling the crackdown on demonstrators here
> “America’s Tiananmen” is being facile.
> >             We’re able to talk honestly about our flawed past and move
> the moral needle. For 31 years, China has buried the memory of Tiananmen.
> >             — Melissa Chen (@MsMelChen) June 4, 2020
> >
> https://twitter.com/MsMelChen/status/1268385700631793669?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
> >
> >       Many suspect that the law was passed as part of an effort mandated
> by Beijing to crack down on an annual vigil to honor the victims, which the
> authorities are refusing to allow this year for the first time since the
> incident occurred.
> >
> >             The vote was held on a poignant day in Hong Kong, where for
> the first time in 30 years, authorities refused permission for a mass vigil
> to mourn the deaths of the pro-democracy students gunned down by Chinese
> soldiers in Tiananmen Square 31 years ago. Police objected to the vigil,
> citing social-distancing rules amid the continuing coronavirus pandemic,
> and threatened to arrest those who violated the ban.
> >       ...
> >
> >
> >
> > There are regimes, and there are regimes.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 01, 2020 at 12:34:25PM +1000, Zig the N.g wrote:
> > > When presented with essential propaganda, it is most important to not
> find the humorous side, and only treat everything with the utmost
> seriousness...
> > >
> > > So remember y'all, a vote for D is a vote for Xi  :D
> > >
> > >
> > >    Xi Takes Up Trump's Challenge
> > >     Patrick Buchanan via Buchanan.org,
> > >    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/xi-takes-trumps-challenge
> > >    https://buchanan.org/blog/jinping-takes-up-the-us-challenge-138600
> > >       .. “China’s been ruled by a brutal, authoritarian regime, a
> communist regime since 1949. For several decades, we thought the regime
> would become more like us through trade, scientific exchanges, diplomatic
> outreach … (but) that didn’t happen.
> > >       .. Who did this to us? We did it to ourselves.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    Schlichter: This Election Is Republicans Versus China
> > >     Kurt Schlichter, op-ed via Townhall.com,
> > >
> https://www.zerohedge.com/political/schlichter-election-republicans-versus-china
> > >
> https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/05/28/this-election-is-republicans-v-china--oops-i-mean-democrats-n2569512?2810
> > >
> > >       It’s pretty clear who the commie bastards known for their shoddy
> lab practices and their weird fetish for gnawing on pangolins badly want to
> win in November, and it's not Trump and the Republicans. The Chinese
> communists want their money’s worth, and they will go all-in for the
> Democrats who find the chance to hurt Trump at the same time they hurt
> America too delicious to pass up. Plus, the Dems heartily approve of what
> Mao’s Pals are doing to freedom-loving Hong Kongers, seeing it as a
> template for what they would love to do to freedom-loving us.
> > >
> > >       We need to understand and accept that a vote for anyone with a
> “D” is a vote for Xi.
> > >       ...
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