[dos at dosowisko.net: Re: [Tinkerphones] "We don't control our lives" - smartphones - tinkerphones - debian on smartphones]

Thu Jul 30 04:05:11 PDT 2020

George Carlin rants on this topic:

https://youtu.be/DxZZt4EAKSQ

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 12:25 AM Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:

> fyi
>
>
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>
> From: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak <dos at dosowisko.net>
> To: Tinkerphones Community <community at tinkerphones.org>
> Cc: CypherPunks <cypherpunks at lists.cpunks.org>
> Reply-To: Tinkerphones Community <community at tinkerphones.org>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 18:46:09 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Tinkerphones] "We don't control our lives" - smartphones -
>  tinkerphones - debian on smartphones
> List-Id: Tinkerphones Community <community.tinkerphones.org>
>
> Hi,
>
> just for the record - the Debian wiki pages you have linked to are
> rather outdated and not really relevant anymore.
>
> Current efforts around running Debian on mobile phones (such as Librem
> 5 and PinePhone) are concentrated around DebianOnMobile team, which
> includes people working on PureOS and Mobian pushing their stuff to
> Debian upstream.
>
> Recent weeks brought massive progress and Purism's Phosh environment
> is now on its way to Debian Testing.
>
> See:
>
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/internet/2020/MiniDebConfOnline?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=DebianOnMobile.pdf
>
> https://salsa.debian.org/DebianOnMobile-team
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-mobile/2020/05/msg00000.html
>
>
> https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-on-mobile-maintainers@alioth-lists.debian.net
>
> https://matrix.to/#/#mobile-debian:matrix.org
>
> Cheers,
> dos
>
> On 7/29/20, Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:
> > With respect to "smart" phones, it can be reasonably claimed that we
> don't
> > control our lives.
> >
> > At the hardware level, the baseband (radio) computer in almost all cases
> has
> > access to RAM, thus access to your passwords and keys for any open
> wallet or
> > encrypted filesystem, etc.
> >
> > Notwithstanding, we owe it to ourselves to run an operating system which
> at
> > least does not deny to us, our right to install and run any software of
> our
> > choosing.
> >
> > The average Android and iOS Apple phone, is a strict walled garden into
> > which only authorised software may be installed.
> >
> > Software "Apps" which are not authorised (or have been banned) by either
> > Google or Apple respectively, are not available in the respective "Play
> > Store".
> >
> > This is abhorrent, a centralisation of power, a blatant censorship
> vector,
> > financially burdensome to those of meagre means, and fundamentally
> unethical
> > in principle wrt the suppression of the basic rights of the end user
> (refer
> > to Richard Stallman's GNU General Public License for details of
> fundamental
> > human rights in relation to software/ apps/ computing).
> >
> >
> > Totally random scenario/ example:
> >
> > Some rando punk decides Tor needs improvement, and works diligently for
> zero
> > pay and little gratitude to bring say (random examples) chaff and UDP
> > transport layer features to Tor.
> >
> > After horrific bugs and even worse security problems in the code are
> > identified / repaired by tragically paranoid other punks, NeoTor takes
> off,
> > thwarting the deep state's end to end onion route monitoring network,
> and so
> > an urgent order is made upon Google to cease and decist from distributing
> > such nefarious software.
> >
> > Google of course complies immediately, and almost all users go back to
> using
> > old Tor.
> >
> >
> > The stranglehold Google and Apple have on not only limiting the average
> user
> > to approved software only, but to enforce total transparency upon all
> > developers to idetify themselves with 100 points of ID just to TEST their
> > software, and to pay some fiats for the priviledge whilst they're at it,
> is
> > ... a little less than satisfactory.
> >
> > Having experienced the pain of an Android phone, even after unlocking
> still
> > being locked into the garden and offered only "Google" or "XiaoMi" when
> > saving every contact (and never "local storage only"), and the pain of
> > finding and installing a rooted OS (_how_ many dozen options? I _still_
> have
> > to choose Google or XiaoMi if I want to backup my contact list? there's
> > really _no_ easy option to just dump it to my laptop with an ad hoc
> > wireless?)
> >
> > ... it is evident I would be MORE than happy to pay $50 to make this
> pain go
> > away by having someone at my local computer club back up my address book
> and
> > install Debian on my phone.
> >
> > What we need is Debian on the phone.
> >
> > And we need this to be super easy for the average geek to install, and
> > thousands of average geeks need to start getting these donations to
> install
> > Debian on Android phones.  Given how painful it is for someone supposedly
> > "technically literate", this ought be a fantastic business opportunity.
> >
> >
> > So Debian on mobile phones? It's possible.
> >
> > What is needed is a geek-able process whereby the "CyanogenMod" mobile
> phone
> > operating systems are split into an absolute minimal "bootloader +
> kernel +
> > drivers etc" for a specific device, and the operating system is a
> separate
> > install on top of that, and for those who care, Debian as the OS.
> >
> >
> > https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile
> >
> > http://www.tinkerphones.org/
> >
> > https://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community
> >
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-mobile/
> >
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-embedded/
> >
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/
> >
> >
> https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/android-tools-devel
> >
> > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnHandhelds
> >
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> >
>
>
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